How Much Is Management Going To Contribute ?

[Light Years]

It was either Fortune Mag. or Money Mag. that stated that USAirways was the #2 worst run company in the United States. How embarrasssing!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly. The company has been mismanaged for years, decades even. Whatever disadvantages U started out with, like the fact that its really the old local service providers mashed into one, its had the same opportuntites as all of the other airlines.

It was management choices that are well documented here that have the company in its current situation, and even more vulnerable to the outside forces.

 

[USFlyer]

Just some facts to add to the discussion.

Shhhhhh, we can't let facts get in the way of spin and rhetoric.

 

[Reservation Agent]

If the management really believes in what they are preaching...they would dig into their "own pockets", to show some credibility.....

It is like....." they invite you out for dinner at a nice restaurant, over and over, and keep having you pay the dinner tab...."

They seem to keep.... forgetting their wallets at home...

 

[Schatzee]

What Lakefield and team need to be doing is trimming their management staff.

A prime example would be the 2 buildings that were combined in INT a year ago. Duplicate Sales Managers, Operations managers, even kept 2 people to post ATT, AWT, CWT stats when they are down to 1 building and all they have to do is print the stats and stick them on a bulletin board. No one reads them as they don't have time with over 200 calls on hold. What a waste. :down:

There have been a few to leave and what does CCY do? Why fill the vacancies of course. Until the fat is trimmed in the management area, CCY knows what the answer is going to be with the latest round of "Vote YES or we'll BK" :down:

 

[Reservation Agent]

If a manager is making anywhere between say $50,000 to $150,000...

He is in a better position too take a cut or forgo some compensation or benefits than CWA workers making $25,000....

CWA workers do not get a pension... We gave that up to help the company...Plus 2 additional givebacks with Mgt giving up nothing....

Turn out the lights!
:huh:

 

[MarkMyWords]

Res Agent.....you need to check your facts. When your pension was taken away, so was the pension of the management. Executive level managers do have different things in their contracts similar for retirement, but you continue to lump all managers in the same pot, and that is far from the truth. I have friends that are analysts and mid-level managers and make LESS then some topped out employees. There is no incentive for talented rank and file employees to move to the MSP ranks because it just doesn't pay to do so.

I am not saying that everyone shouldn't share in the pain, and yes, everyone should be expected to contribute. You are making the assumption that these people have given up nothing and you are far from the thruth. Every time you gave, so did they. Every time you had massive job cuts, they did too. If you are speaking about the EXECUTIVE levels of management, then be specific....lumping all managers in the same pot is severely inaccurate.

 

[ResScum037]

To "SalesGuyCCY"
If ReservationsAgent has even half of the time invested here that I do, I've 2 words for you and they aren't Merry Christmas.......We've been the companies Cash Cow of Choice for to flippin long now, and before you go whining about our complaints, how many years were your department denied federal holidays without either OT or time off compensation. At least if U goes under I can access my 401K to avoid BK myself--no chance of that with this demands.....so H yes, lock the doors and shut her down, I help put the chain on the doors myself.

 

[StatioRat]

With all the complaining on this board, one would believe that any of us have a say as to what is going to happen in the end. What everyone needs to do is seat back and let the card fall where they fall.

If some of you put as much energy in posting on this board as you SHOULD in looking for new employement you would be a CEO.....

 

[Reservation Agent]

It is in the best interest of the managers to contribute thier "fair Share" in proportion to their earnings....

This is supposed to be a "team effort" isn't it?

If you don't have an airline, ....you don't need managers either...

 

[Reservation Agent]

It is in the best interest of the managers to contribute their "fair Share" in proportion to their earnings....

This is supposed to be a "team effort" isn't it?

If you don't have an airline, ....you don't need managers either...

 

[28yrsnojob]

Management should give up 25% in wages and 15% in benifits, it doesnt take
a rocketman to manage a station or be in charge of a deparment. I do it for a lot
less than what U's management gets paid.

 

[ELP_WN_Psgr]

I've said it before and i will say it again but it never loses validity.

As long as U's (mis) management continues to treat employees as liabilities, they will behave as liabilities. And looking at the balance sheet, the last thing USAirways needs is more liabilities. They have plenty of them as it is.

Management is either serious abot trying to save this airline as a going concern or they are trying to milk it for what they can. It's that simple, cut and dried, black and white. If they are serious about saving it, they will make big time and widespread sacrifices...in fact, smart management interested in salvaging the firm would take the salary of the most junior flight attendant out there and tie it to some huge stock options and be willing to deal with that.

I am usually no big fan of labor unions, but in this particular case they have a point. Management has set the course that has led to disaster....not the employees. That being the case, management ought to sacrifice...not to be fair...but because the things that are wrong are their doing.

At his point in time I think if I were employed at U, I'd be hollering "full pay to the last day" with the full realization that the last day might not be far off. But I would be damned if I was going to pay 100% of the cost of management ineptitude while they suffer not at all.

It's all about corporate culture and the only way to fix it would be to tear it down and start from scratch (sort of like boot camp.) But you don't tear it down and start from scratch by doing the same old tired "screw the employees, to heck with the unions, but you are management, therefore you are my friend, you are special and won't have to suffer" routine.

Does U use time clocks in the executive offices? I bet they do at res or at the stations.

Does U pay for any country club or similar-club memberships for upper level management?

The whole thing may be well past the point to where you could save it. But even if it isn't, it is not going to be saved on the backs of union-represented employees.

It's amazing how wise and philosophical you get in your late 40s. Everything becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Treat unions as adversaries, don't be surprised if they act adversarial.

 

[local 12 proud]

piney my experience with a good "SALES PERSON" is one who can stack the #### the highest 😀 ya see ive got a real estate license as well and in this industry they are lower than a used car salesman! 😉 "YOU CAN'T BULLSHIT A BULLSHITTER"

 

[ktflyhome]

Great Post EL WN

 

[mweiss]

ELP, as usual, you're on target.

Let's be clear that the word "management" in this thread is shorthand for "executive management." Do you agree?