High Crimes and Misdemeanors?
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Ms Tree
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Thank you Cpt Obvious. No president does a mission briefing much less makes one. The accusation is stupid on its face and only an ignorant fool would believe it.
Eolesen was the one who brought it up. I'm just looking for something to back it up. Still waiting.
Eolesen was the one who brought it up. I'm just looking for something to back it up. Still waiting.
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Wasn't there a picture of his so called brain trust all watching as the Seal Team accomplished their mission? Surely a similar photo exists with Obama with the Joint Chiefs briefing him on the risk/reward aspects of such a mission and I think it safe to assume that his most trusted advisers were in attendance at least part of the time.
I would think a competent President would then in turn brief key members in his Cabinet and possibly certain members of Congress. Oh wait! I forgot I was speaking of a competent POTUS not this turf.
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Try and follow along. Eolesen claimed that Obama planed and briefed the SEAL team, not that he was recipient of a plan from the JCS. I am not aware of any POTUS who had the military back ground to plan or give a mission briefing to SEALS or anyone else.
I was not aware that members of his staff were not briefed. Do you have anything to substantiate that claim?
I was not aware that members of his staff were not briefed. Do you have anything to substantiate that claim?
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I think Mr Eisenhower was capable since he planned the invasion of Europe. Oh but wait he was an evil Republican so how could be capable?
Eisenhower single handedly planned the invasion of Europe? :blink:
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No more or less that Al Gore's invention of the internet. Now I realize that reading comprehension is not a strong suit but let's review shall we?
Look at the quote and it says "Military Background". Eisenhower had such background. Did he do it alone? well duh of course not.
He WAS however Supreme Commander of Allied Forces in Europe. I honestly didn't think anyone would be so stupid as think he did much less reveal that stupidity for all to see. If D-Day had been a failure and the Allied Forces driven from the beaches in defeat who would have been blamed? Parron? Bradley? Montgomery? See in those days if you messed up you stood up and took the heat. So who would have taken the heat? If the Seal Team had failed it would somehow been blamed on George W Bush,
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Exception noted. There was one POTUS who may have fit that bill who was in office 60 years ago. Anyone else? Someone from the lat 30 or so years? JFK may have fit the bill being a captain of a PT boat but I think that would be a stretch. The point was and is that no president in the last 30 or 40 years had the back ground or qualifications to do what Eoleson claimed someone said Obama did. Anyone who believed that is an ignorant fool.
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Obama like Carter is a well documented micro manager. With the level of arrogance and ego he displays I wouldn't put it past him except if Obama knows nothing else he knows how to scapegoat and palm off blame for his failures onto others. On that he's the expert. So there is no way he would paint himself into that corner. Now did he take the plan as described to him by the joint chiefs and deliver a briefing of his own to key staffers with a need to know? Of Course he did unless he's a bigger dolt then even I give him credit for.
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We do not hold our elected officials responsible so why should they care. I think there is a fine line between underlings who actively deceive their superiors and superiors who encourage their subordinates to do things on the sly without advising the superior. If it can be shown that a superior has actively promoted responsibility down the chain and someone still deceived the boss then I am inclined to grant a bit more slack (not much as this just shows a lack of over sight in most cases) in this scenario as opposed to the one who seeks plausible deniability. Just as with Nixon, Reagan and Bush Jr. and now Obama we will never know who knew what and when they knew it.
The only thing we can be fairly certain is that they all more than likely lied through their teeth and at the very least, they are all dishonest.
The only thing we can be fairly certain is that they all more than likely lied through their teeth and at the very least, they are all dishonest.
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Ever read ' The Coming Insurrection'........its all about that.
Worldwide rebellion against the ruling class....you'll know when it starts......sit tight.
I think its going to be interesting for Obama as he publicly remarked about the op before Holder claims knowledge.....which implicates him and shoots deniability in the foot.
But these boys are from Haavard.....
Worldwide rebellion against the ruling class....you'll know when it starts......sit tight.
I think its going to be interesting for Obama as he publicly remarked about the op before Holder claims knowledge.....which implicates him and shoots deniability in the foot.
But these boys are from Haavard.....
You have never met a conspiracy that you did not latch on too. At least you are consistent.
