Good News...More Flight Attendant recalls

[boston]

The problem with that as a solution is it blocks seats. With short flights to PAP from MIA, hotels are seldom a necessity. On long flights to China the loss of revenue with seats blocked and the cost of hotels and expenses adds up. Using qualified flight attendants avoids this.

MK

FSD would need a hotel room, but they are all Jump Seat qualified
and there are enough on all the aircraft. PAP FSD's don't require a hotel since they are based in MIA and JFK.

 

[Maark767]

From AAnegotiations.com signed off 7/09

Article 16 - Reduction in Force•The main item on which the parties agreed concerning this article is to extend unlimited recall rights for flight attendants whose names appeared on the recall list as of October 2, 2009.
•Additionally, in no case shall a senior flight attendant furloughed after October 2, 2009, have a recall period shorter than a more junior flight attendant.

So just what did LG get?

AA is ready to hire, no more no less. This was already a done deal.

This article may have been signed off but who knows if it would be included in the FINAL tentative agreement. AA management constantly says that all agreed articles are subject to change in the final agreement. This side LOA cant not be pulled in the last minutes of negot. It's written in stone now.

 

[damajagua]

I still say I don't understand why we are signing anything
without a contract? I also feel that everyone that will remain on furlough after the mandarin speakers are hire should sue AA and APFA.

 

[IORFA]

You are correct. AA would have done it anyway. And it is buried in the fine print of our contract that they can do so. These 30 will go to the very bottom of the seniority list. THEY CAN NEVER LEAVE LAX. If there are future furloughs, they will be the first to go. If AA stops the route, they are gone.

Point of correction, they can most assuredly leave LAX. They can't leave till all furloughed F/A's are recalled, but that WILL happen, and most likely before these new F/A's language lock in is up. To say "They can never leave LAX" is totally wrong and not truthful. By the way, the capital letters above in the quote are mine.

 

[nbmcg01]

This article may have been signed off but who knows if it would be included in the FINAL tentative agreement. AA management constantly says that all agreed articles are subject to change in the final agreement. This side LOA cant not be pulled in the last minutes of negot. It's written in stone now.

AA has placed this on a public web site. Can you imagine the pr nightmare if they suddenly reversed their position? LOA written in stone? Until they choose to write another LOA. This was a bad move on the part of the APFA. I am happy for those folks getting the opportunity to make their OWN career decision but in negotiations...........

 

[eolesen]

The problem with that as a solution is it blocks seats. With short flights to PAP from MIA, hotels are seldom a necessity. On long flights to China the loss of revenue with seats blocked and the cost of hotels and expenses adds up. Using qualified flight attendants avoids this.

I thought that the FSMs were jumpseat qualified. Is that not the case to PAP and DME?

If you're staffing minimum crew including language speakers, you're correct on the hotel & expenses issue, but I don't think AA doesn't staff minimum crew to China, partly for service levels, and perhaps also to hedge their bets on someone getting sick during a layover. If that's the case, you're using just as many hotel rooms, and I suspect management expenses are the same or less than per diem+ TAFB if that still exists.

 

[upsilon]

The saga continues - more from Rock Salomon.

 

[boston]

I thought that the FSMs were jumpseat qualified. Is that not the case to PAP and DME?

If you're staffing minimum crew including language speakers, you're correct on the hotel & expenses issue, but I don't think AA doesn't staff minimum crew to China, partly for service levels, and perhaps also to hedge their bets on someone getting sick during a layover. If that's the case, you're using just as many hotel rooms, and I suspect management expenses are the same or less than per diem+ TAFB if that still exists.

PAP FSD, flight service director, no FSM's. PAP FSD's are jump seat qualified, I'd assume the DME ones are or were. All our aircraft have plenty of jump seats avbl and if they are to staff a 767-300 with 10 f/as then the FSD would use the crew rest seats for take offs and landing, 777 have 12 jump seats and have a cockpit has 1 F/C seat ,possible 3 on long hall in addition to the crew bunks.

 

[Maark767]

AA has placed this on a public web site. Can you imagine the pr nightmare if they suddenly reversed their position? LOA written in stone? Until they choose to write another LOA. This was a bad move on the part of the APFA. I am happy for those folks getting the opportunity to make their OWN career decision but in negotiations...........

And you think AA really cares about the negative PR they would get if the extention of recall rights was deleted from the Tentative agreement.... Come on , really ? Get it out of your head that AA is this darling employer that cAAes about it's employees. They dont care one bit.
One other point here...... APFA is a good union and does a good job in protecting it's members. We have many many benefits that we enjoy today because APFA fought for these benefits over the last 30 yrs. People seem to forget that. Stop looking at APFA as the bad guy. It's American that would pay you one dollar and strip you of every benefit you know today.
PS I'll never understand why the TWA F/A union ,the IAM, agreed to waive the seniority clause in their contract. What kind of union was that????

 

[nbmcg01]

And you think AA really cares about the negative PR they would get if the extention of recall rights was deleted from the Tentative agreement.... Come on , really ? Get it out of your head that AA is this darling employer that cAAes about it's employees. They dont care one bit.
One other point here...... APFA is a good union and does a good job in protecting it's members. We have many many benefits that we enjoy today because APFA fought for these benefits over the last 30 yrs. People seem to forget that. Stop looking at APFA as the bad guy. It's American that would pay you one dollar and strip you of every benefit you know today.
PS I'll never understand why the TWA F/A union ,the IAM, agreed to waive the seniority clause in their contract. What kind of union was that????

I do think that AA in this economy would not go there.. As for the IAM, I agree. Perhaps because they don't know the difference between SCOPE and LPPs. That is why many of us are weighing in on the CAL-UAL representation election. I am a big fan of independent unions..it is not the union, its the "leadership".

 

[kirkpatrick]

Mark, what do you speak? I was "mainstream" with French and Spanish, nothing difficult..lol

Spanish, Portuguese and German. Nothing that really helps since speakers of these are a dime a dozen in NY.

MK

 

[fltguymk]

And you think AA really cares about the negative PR they would get if the extention of recall rights was deleted from the Tentative agreement.... Come on , really ? Get it out of your head that AA is this darling employer that cAAes about it's employees. They dont care one bit.
One other point here...... APFA is a good union and does a good job in protecting it's members. We have many many benefits that we enjoy today because APFA fought for these benefits over the last 30 yrs. People seem to forget that. Stop looking at APFA as the bad guy. It's American that would pay you one dollar and strip you of every benefit you know today.
PS I'll never understand why the TWA F/A union ,the IAM, agreed to waive the seniority clause in their contract. What kind of union was that????

Well said. Thank you!

 

[700UW]

They waived the LPPs, because AA would not buy them otherwise.

 

[nbmcg01]

Spanish, Portuguese and German. Nothing that really helps since speakers of these are a dime a dozen in NY.

MK

I saw your response to Tony so I thought maybe......wouldn't have surprised me..lol
I also speak "missouri" mrdks osar lib madks

 

[Skymess]

The problem with that as a solution is it blocks seats. With short flights to PAP from MIA, hotels are seldom a necessity. On long flights to China the loss of revenue with seats blocked and the cost of hotels and expenses adds up. Using qualified flight attendants avoids this.

MK

Exactly. If they staffed FSD's, as they were called on Haiti, they would have to block 2 seats off per day. One going and one returning X 365. They staff 11 on the plane and there are 12 jumpseats. Only 1 speaker would have a jumpseat the other seat would have to be taken out of revenue. It would get expensive. The hotel costs, as pointed out, would get expensive too.