Future of 50 seat RJs
- Thread starter Dont call me Shirley
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Longer than mesa 50 seat contract
BoeingBoy
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So you don't know the answer to either then....
Consider this alternative: US wants to phase out Mesa but can only get rid of their -200's/Dashes over a period of quarters. Not wanting to reduce the Express fleet and resulting feed, US contracts with Skywest to replace the Mesa 200's/Dashes as they can be replaced, but with the further agreement that when the Mesa -900's can be replaced Skywest will upsize the 200's to -900's. US gets to start phasing out Mesa without reducing the Express fleet now instead of waiting till their entire contract is up and Skywest gets a place to fly the -200's a few more years profitably plus a contract for large RJ flying down the road. The end result is Mesa gone and Skywest flying larger RJ's for US.
Jim
Consider this alternative: US wants to phase out Mesa but can only get rid of their -200's/Dashes over a period of quarters. Not wanting to reduce the Express fleet and resulting feed, US contracts with Skywest to replace the Mesa 200's/Dashes as they can be replaced, but with the further agreement that when the Mesa -900's can be replaced Skywest will upsize the 200's to -900's. US gets to start phasing out Mesa without reducing the Express fleet now instead of waiting till their entire contract is up and Skywest gets a place to fly the -200's a few more years profitably plus a contract for large RJ flying down the road. The end result is Mesa gone and Skywest flying larger RJ's for US.
Jim
Grand ideal but parker has stated that express RJ’s contracts (YV) are cheaper and make more business since then hiring employees and buying more aircraft
I am sure parker and gang are whipsawing the express carriers to the point of maximum RJ’s the unions contracts will allow
What? Six RJ operators aren't enough to allow management to whipsaw them...so they need a seventh...
Jim
What? You are the ONE saying they are going to replace YV
Will the express carriers do what it takes to kept there flying
Get as many express carriers as you can on the property as allow and see who gives the company the best deal meanwhile whipsaw labor and contractors
BoeingBoy
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No, I said it was a possible scenario to explain replacing one CRJ-200 operator for another CRJ-200 operator. I did not say it was going to happen since I have no idea what US has planned (and often question whether US knows what it has planned).
I assume that's a question. It seems that Mesa (that oh so cheap RJ provider - your claim) isn't "doing what it takes to kept there flying [sic - keep their flying].
So why get rid of the Mesa CRJ-200's/Dashes. There's no conflict with a limit on the number of them. Keep Mesa, add Skywest and 4 or 5 others. And do it 5 years ago - why wait till now?
I know it's asking a lot but at least try to think about it logically...
Jim
nycbusdriver
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The pee-in-their-pants MEC capitulated on the demand by management to relax scope to let it all happen.
gabby
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Delta was the first to start the trend. Many people here started life on a f100 or similar. Now people spend upwards of 10 years at a regional only to find after 10,000 hrs of regional flight experience your only worth $35k at mainline.
The real losers here are the ones that have to work for "b" scale wages then start at the bottom again earning 1980's pay.
Then us unworthy regional pilots have to hear how we are "stealing" mainlines flying. Well take it back. Fly a 50 seat RJ. All I see happening is your (mainline) MEC relaxing scope to allow more larger airplanes at a regional level.
Wholly owned are at a distinct disadvantage. We are tied to only flying for airways, we are the last to grow and I don't know if your aware.... We can't even get interviewed at mainline. They are taking regional f/o's from other airlines because of the impending shortage. A 7000 hr captain will not get a mainline interview. But you'll hire a 2000 hr f/o from pinnacle or republic. Then if you were one of the lucky 18 hired from PSA, all you keep is your DOH for non rev travel. Whipty do. Not like that is worth anything. Thanks for your 10 years of regional service.
The real losers here are the ones that have to work for "b" scale wages then start at the bottom again earning 1980's pay.
Then us unworthy regional pilots have to hear how we are "stealing" mainlines flying. Well take it back. Fly a 50 seat RJ. All I see happening is your (mainline) MEC relaxing scope to allow more larger airplanes at a regional level.
Wholly owned are at a distinct disadvantage. We are tied to only flying for airways, we are the last to grow and I don't know if your aware.... We can't even get interviewed at mainline. They are taking regional f/o's from other airlines because of the impending shortage. A 7000 hr captain will not get a mainline interview. But you'll hire a 2000 hr f/o from pinnacle or republic. Then if you were one of the lucky 18 hired from PSA, all you keep is your DOH for non rev travel. Whipty do. Not like that is worth anything. Thanks for your 10 years of regional service.
PullUp
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Dude, go get a job at JetBlue or Virgin. U dont want to work at mainline anyway, and mainline does not want u with your attitude.
Cheers.
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One of the reasons for Mesa getting rid of the Dash 8-200's is they are under a separate certificate from the CRJ200/900 operation and since there are only 6 you still have to x-$$$ amount in spares on the self, plus keeping that few aircraft crewed can be expensive. Also the Dash 8-200's of Mesa are really worn out. I think the CRJ200 are leaving because so many of the parts are not interchangeable with the CRJ900 and keeping spares on the shelf for 6 aircraft is expensive.
nycbusdriver
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Sure. Blame the mainline pilots because MANAGEMENT won't hire from their own regionals.
Get a clue. That's been common policy at all the carriers for decades. Makes no sense, but MANAGEMENT does it anyway. If (incredibly) you wanted to fly for US Airways mainline, you should have hired on with a regional for another carrier.
gabby
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No it's typical mainline pilot that has no clue what goes on with their regionals. 2600 departures/day are express. 2400 are mainline.
We all realize it's management that makes these clueless decisions. But don't blame us for flying 50-90 seat jets. We weren't the ones that
relaxed the scope.
I think the only reason why people leave PSA/Piedmont for Mainline is because of the ease of transition and base locations. It certainly isn't because of pay.
