For the Record

[Callsign_Cactus]

Why? Why you ask? - Because this is called extortion idiot. You are sadly mistaken if you think the west pilots will bow down to east threats. There are certain steps the east needs to take for any chance of a "consensual" agreement, but I guarantee their egos and mouths will prevent that from ever happening.

Keep up with the corporate terrorist tactics and see how far it gets you. The Company may suffer for a while until we smoke all of you out of your fox holes and terminate, but we'll recover and prosper with a better group of people.

Cheers!

This would prevent one pilot group from benefiting at the expense of the other. If true, I cannot understand why any AWA pilot would not want this in lieu of "game on or an implosion", which I believe will likely occur without a consensual agreement.

Boom!

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[hp_fa]

What is interesting about this situation is that it is tearing the two pilot groups apart and could cause a corporate failure and if it does, it does, because it is apparent the pilot relationship is toxic.

What is really interesting is now at least part of the text from a hearing has been published and it was firmly established from that excerpt that the East folks were warned and thumbed their noses at that warning. The East attorney, having not responded meaningfully to the Arbitrator's clear request and warning, wanted to then attack the West's written response and try to have them negotiate against themselves. It is an old lawyer's trick and didn't work.

 

[Barberpole]

No, I have never crossed a picket line and AWA320 pilot is purposely misrepresenting information. As ab320driver said, "Take a look around, it HAS begun. GAME ON..." and if the AWA pilots do not want to reach a consensual agreement then "let the implosion" begin.

The ALPA EC resolution clearly indicates the Associations desire to obtain a consensual award, which is an idea I believe the majority of the East pilots would endorse.

Again, I do not want any AWA or US Airways pilots hurt, which is why a simple way to resolve this dispute is to create a permanent or long-term PHX/LAS and East Coast base fence of maybe 25 years, shared growth over pre-merger fleet plans, and shared scope protection that would keep each pilot group at their pre-merger career expectation.

This would prevent one pilot group from benefiting at the expense of the other. If true, I cannot understand why any AWA pilot would not want this in lieu of "game on or an implosion", which I believe will likely occur without a consensual agreement.

Boom!

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

Of course no AWA pilot would agree to modifying the award. You're all talk....Possibly you would be willing to burn the place down out of spite but I would bet my career that the majority of AAA pilots have one or more of the following: wives, kids, grandkids, allimony, a mortgage, car payments, college payments, credit card debt, etc.......Do you seriously think the majority will throw away a 100k+/year job and sacrifice the well being of everything listed above just to prevent the list from being implemented?? Particularly when you consider the fact that NOBODY moves down from their current slot....

I for one believe you are grasping at straws...The very fact that you are wasting hours and hours of your life 'negotiating' with AWA pilots on this website demonstrates how desperate your cause is...

 

[b737fo]

Again, I do not want any AWA or US Airways pilots hurt, which is why a simple way to resolve this dispute is to create a permanent or long-term PHX/LAS and East Coast base fence of maybe 25 years, shared growth over pre-merger fleet plans, and shared scope protection that would keep each pilot group at their pre-merger career expectation.

If relative seniority with 25 year domicile fences are so easy to accept then why did Mr. Katz not present that as an East proposal either in mediation, arbitration or last chance negotiations before the award? Why did the East not come off their position at all during this process? Why did they try to grab our ETOPS 757 flying? Now they are willing to negotiate or they threaten to shut this airline down. The pre-merger career expectation on each side does not even exist anymore. Welcome to the new LCC. It has become a stand off and neither side appears ready to back down.

 

[traderjake]

but rest assured the Company's attempt to gear up to hire replacements in their efforts to play "Hardball" could well back fire and unite the two groups against the Parker Posse and ensure the demise of US Airways.

Why would the West pilots unite with the East after we tried to steal their jobs?

 

[luvthe9]

Go Ahead, burn it down. I have a number elsewhere, and YOU won't ever be there.

Must not be that good since your still sticking around here (hoping to fly a 330 I presume) you really should leave!!!

 

[phasersonstun2]

...This is just a case that will be resolved. Once it is resolved everyone will get back to their business and no one will be the worse for it. Pilots won't be battling pilots and no one is going to go off the deep end much less the company.

Bob

Probably will get "resolved", but there will be some nasty disputes and disruptions in the interim. Pilots will be fired and possibly worse. With the passion that this issue has created amongst the East pilot group, everyone has their own opinion and plan of action from pilot 1 to the last furloughee.

 

[Barberpole]

Must not be that good since your still sticking around here (hoping to fly a 330 I presume) you really should leave!!!

We have lots of pilots at AWA who are ex TWA and subsequently furloughed from AMR. They actually did get a raw deal. I believe the very top TWA pilots ended up around 50% down the combined list. One of our MC reps was a 12 year TWA captain who got furloughed after the award came out. They would have been overjoyed to get relative seniority.

All these pilots have recall rights to AA so if the east burns the house down they have a very viable plan B. More than can be said for 99.9% of the east pilots. I would bet that most recruiters would look at someone with 25 years of seniority from AAA who just helped destroy an airline as damaged goods to say the least. You guys would be downright radioactive, so 'burning down the airline' will be the last thing you do as an airline pilot. But by all means don't let logic stop you. It certainly hasn't in the past.

 

[hulagirl]

What is interesting about this situation is that it is tearing the two pilot groups apart and could cause a corporate failure and if it does, it does, because it is apparent the pilot relationship is toxic.

The more I think about it, the AWA MEC and Merger Committee both appear to be more than a little panicked about what the East pilots could do to the union and company. Why? As John Prater said there could be "negative consequences".

Regards,

USA320Pilot

You simply don't have that much power from your right seat.

Ever hear the phrase "The Enemy of MY enemy is My Friend"

Parker has never endeared himself to the HP pilots.

HP pilots see Parker "come after" the East pilots.

HP pilots see Parker as the "bigger" enemy. BOOM Solidarity occurs by accident.

Plausable? YES

Likely? NO

Piney,
What are you drinking?

 

[TechBoy]

Today the US Airways pilots have overwhelming solidarity and, if necessary, will let an implosion occur.

Boom!

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Yeah, right. Like a bunch of 55 year old captains who no longer have a pension are going to destroy their only viable income stream. Just not gonna happen.

 

[Mr Furlough]

Why? Why you ask? - Because this is called extortion idiot. You are sadly mistaken if you think the west pilots will bow down to east threats. There are certain steps the east needs to take for any chance of a "consensual" agreement, but I guarantee their egos and mouths will prevent that from ever happening.

Keep up with the corporate terrorist tactics and see how far it gets you. The Company may suffer for a while until we smoke all of you out of your fox holes and terminate, but we'll recover and prosper with a better group of people.

Cheers!

Why would you want to save a company that is ok with an upsidedown seniority system? One day you're on the upside-next day-you ain't worth squat. Doesn't matter what you do to save them-you are still nothing to them nor your fellow pilots. So what are you so gun ho about saving?

 

[EastUS]

. "The Company may suffer for a while until we smoke all of you out of your fox holes and terminate, but we'll recover and prosper with a better group of people."

Cheers!

That truly MUST be some INTENSE Koolaide out there.

"...until WE smoke all of you out of your fox holes and terminate,"

Ummm..by "WE"..I can only assume that you've some ridiculously childish fantasy that YOU are some actual part of "the company"'s decision making process?

I do have the fullest confidence that your Party Leadership will indeed quickly place all needed resources to erradicate all the presumably "bad people"...a perfect "Final Solution" to "The East Question". I've no doubt that a precise list of where to find the "better group of people" to form into your Master Race of corporate slaves/drones is instantly available....Umm...just as soon as they can get it all figured out via SHARES that is

Sieg Heil/good luck Little puppy dog

 

[desertgal]

The East pilots are determined to not have the Nicolau Award implemented and will fight to the end, if necessary.

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Now that's just silly.
A perfect but extreme example of cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.

And, NOW all of a sudden the former US pilots are crying and threatening that former HP pilots need to work to reach an agreement?????
Duh, HELLOOO, they tried that already!!
Your East MEC and lawyers shot down their attempts.
We all just read that in the transcript.
Didn't you?

 

[EastUS]

"The East pilots are determined to not have the Nicolau Award implemented and will fight to the end, if necessary."


Now that's just silly.

Duh, HELLOOO

Whew!...Glad to hear that...I've been actually afraid that this was a truly serious mess for all of us.

 

[desertgal]

Whew!...Glad to hear that...I've been actually afraid that this was a truly serious mess for all of us.

Not for all of us, just a portion of former US pilots.
There are lots of other employees at this company who don't believe the world (or company for that matter)is revolving around them.
Glad I could help