firings in LGA

[AANYER]

My apologies,
 
Last, for all of you perfect employees, not even our CEO Doug Parker is perfect.  It's said that he had at least four DWI and or drug and alcohol incidents, and look, he's still our CEO.  Let's hope there's room for forgiveness.

 

[Zom JFK]

To all,
 
The junior employee who did this was no alter boy.  He complained at each and every assignment that he received.  He complained to management about why he was being rotated.  He is a junior employee who thought that he was privileged and didn't have to do anything that he was required to do.  When I started with the company a few decades ago, management ensured that we were well rounded and that we were not pigeon hole.  So, what we have now, is several junior employees who travel and believes that they should not be assigned any significant task so that their lives can be made easy.  If this is the new American, well good luck.  We had a stelar record for b-ck performance at LGA.  Some of the employees that may be let go, would go above and beyond to ensure that our aircraft are on time.  I personally know of many times that they have been called upon to save LGA when we had Aircraft damaged.  These employees would stop whatever they were doing when called upon by management, because there are specialist at what they do. There is one gentleman particularly who was called upon on numerous occasions when he was home with his family to show up at work to fix broken and damaged out of service Aircraft.  Let me also say this, these employees know more about the Aircraft that all of the junior mechanics combined. Let me add, the junior employees that called corporate security are the same ones that damage the tail of the last aircraft damage at LGA.  It just happens so, that one of the same gentleman that may be let go also fixed that Aircraft and placed it back in service.  These employees and good decent people, they have never told management that they cannot complete any task.  I can recall many winters working in the hash weather conditions with these same employees.  These are employees who have never had any incidents on their record.  Let me also add, if any of you GODs are perfect, then continue to caste stones.  However, just remember, what goes around comes around.
 
The expertise at LGA lies in the minds and hands of the senior technicians, not the junior guys that don't even know how to read and interpret the Aircraft Manuals properly. Many don't even have proper tools in their boxes.  When we went trough bankruptcy, all of the top level junior technicians that were valued, prized and skilled gents got jobs at other carriers and left.  What we were left with was the unskilled guys that only received jobs at American Airlines when we were desperate for people.  I can attest to this, I live it every night.  These junior employees has to be led by their hands, almost none are self starters.
 
Last, for all of you perfect employees, not even our CEO Doug Parker is perfect.  It's said that he may have had a DWI, and look, he's is still our CEO.  Let's hope there's room for forgiveness.

Good to hear what went on from somone who knows. Too many idiots on here that spout off when they dont know jack about what really went on.
 

I also believe that what goes around - comes around.  If there was a rat, it will be found.  At that point, said rat will need to be looking over their shoulder - the rest of their career.

And rightly so.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Hmmm.
RATTING out guys from the LGA / JFK area.   Very Interesting indeed.
 
The RAT better hope that none of those Fired guys are from the  Ozone Park area, or worse...Howard Beach  !!!

 

[eolesen]

People do screw up and some deserve forgiveness and a second chance. What drives that for me is whether the screw-up was accidental, careless or reckless.
 

What I find odd, is a bunch of non AMTs commenting on something that might have happened in a department you know nothing of, and on a shift that most have never had to work.  Until any of you company suckups have worked line night shift in all weather conditions including holidays, and attempting to lead a somewhat normal life, your 2 cents - is just that.  Anybody that has worked that shift, and tells you that they never slept a wink (even if by accident) on shift isn't being honest.

Do you have to be an AMT to see the difference between right and wrong here? Seriously?

Someone falling asleep between assignments? Yeah, I know it happens on third shift. I used to work an 1830-0300 shift at ORD, and the last few hours were a killer, and I regularly worked a graveyard shift in college. My eyes were closed a few times longer than they could have been, but the difference was that I was sitting at a desk with a phone in an office with a walk-up window and all the lights on. If someone needed me, I was entirely accessible.

If all the work is done for the night, or you're waiting for terminators, I don't think anyone is going to get worked up over someone falling asleep in a chair in the ready room where you can be woken up to go out and deal with something unplanned, or to assist someone else who is bogged down. If you're hanging out in a truck and fall asleep with the radio on, that's careless, but you're likely to be in a place where you can be found and functional.

It's a different ballgame if the workload CC (or CC's) were assigning job cards in a way that the junior guys were "paying their dues" so that the senior guys could disappear for hours at a time. I don't know that this was the case *this time* at LGA, but it certainly has been before (guys having bunks made up somewhere out of sight).

When I hear it was intentional, that's the point for me where the guys' work history stops being relevant. It's way beyond careless, and is nothing short of reckless behavior.

It's even more reckless when you consider how many people have been fired just at LGA for that very action in the past...

Ratting someone out is careless if not reckless, but it doesn't excuse the equally careless or reckless behavior that's being ratted out.

Curious, but did the guys fired the last time this happened get their jobs back?

 

[mike 7867]

Well i guess the rumor is true then, wasnt sure.  Didnt know they were ratted out, that sucks.  But reading the post above the one thing i like to know is how long someone is suppose to pay their dues?  I have over 20 years laid off 5 times taken more concessions than i can remember lived in 6 different cities.  Now i am one of the jr seniority mech at my station and had a guy with over 40 years that never been laid off in his whole career tell me i havent paid my dues.  

 

[dfw gen]

Well i guess the rumor is true then, wasnt sure.  Didnt know they were ratted out, that sucks.  But reading the post above the one thing i like to know is how long someone is suppose to pay their dues?  I have over 20 years laid off 5 times taken more concessions than i can remember lived in 6 different cities.  Now i am one of the jr seniority mech at my station and had a guy with over 40 years that never been laid off in his whole career tell me i havent paid my dues.  

gotta luv a piece of work like that.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Considering that long term careers are becoming a thing of the past what in the world makes you think I am willing to "pay dues" to make your life easier when I am earning half the pay (with a 9 year top out) just to have American Airlines kick me to the curb when they are done using me up while you stay on the clock to victimize the next wave of new hires? What do I get out of it?
 

So you took the job at AA not knowing the pay rate or the top out time?

You were "victimized"?

What did you get out of it? A good lesson that you are still whining about.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

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[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Ahh,we should cater to the whims of the 'Microwave Generation' and their insatiable desire for gratification right this @#$%ing second...

No.

They can GTFO,just like you did.

First off I chose to leave to pursue another opportunity. I could have just as easily went to Dallas PT and worked FT hours. I left because I saw no future for ME at American Airlines. Not because someone ran me off (GTFO).
 
You might not like what I am saying but that does not change the fact that generational attitudes have changed. 
 
I am not trying to offend you JFK Fleet Service, I am just giving you a realistic view of GEN Y's work mentality. Don't shoot the messenger.
 

What I find odd, is a bunch of non AMTs commenting on something that might have happened in a department you know nothing of, and on a shift that most have never had to work.  

Why would someone have to be an AMT to comment? What? You don't think that happens in Fleet?
 

Anybody that has worked that shift, and tells you that they never slept a wink (even if by accident) on shift isn't being honest. 

My father worked decades in a place that rotated shifts EVERY WEEK (Days, Evenings, Nights) and NEVER slept at work. He also never missed 1 day his whole career. 
 

I also believe that what goes around - comes around.  If there was a rat, it will be found.  At that point, said rat will need to be looking over their shoulder - the rest of their career.

You are missing the point. This generation is not career minded. They may have a field they are going to stay in but most have not intention of staying with a single employer their whole career. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

So, what we have now, is several junior employees who travel and believes that they should not be assigned any significant task so that their lives can be made easy. 

You got that backwards. What we have is senior people dumping work on new people so their lives can be made easy. That is why 6 of them got caught sleeping. 
 

Some of the employees that may be let go, would go above and beyond to ensure that our aircraft are on time.  I personally know of many times that they have been called upon to save LGA when we had Aircraft damaged.  These employees would stop whatever they were doing when called upon by management, because there are specialist at what they do. There is one gentleman particularly who was called upon on numerous occasions when he was home with his family to show up at work to fix broken and damaged out of service Aircraft. 

That is not so hard to do when you are so well rested. They did not come to work because they are good workers, they came because they wanted OT pay. Show me ANYBODY in the system that does not do that.
 

These are employees who have never had any incidents on their record.  Let me also add, if any of you GODs are perfect, then continue to caste stones.

They have an incident now, sleeping on the job. Did you miss the part where it was not 1 or 2 but 6? You got that part about 6 of them right? 
 

The expertise at LGA lies in the minds and hands of the senior technicians, not the junior guys that don't even know how to read and interpret the Aircraft Manuals properly. Many don't even have proper tools in their boxes. 

All the expertise and proper tools in the world don't amount to much when the tools are sitting in a toolbox and the mechanics are sleeping. 
 

Last, for all of you perfect employees, not even our CEO Doug Parker is perfect.  It's said that he may have had a DWI, and look, he's is still our CEO.  Let's hope there's room for forgiveness.

He does in fact have a DWI. What does Parker having a DWI off the clock have to do with 6 mechanics sleeping on the clock? You wan't to fight for someone and speak on someones behalf? Where are the people fighting for Dennis Barnett? All that man did was tell the truth and he got fired for it. Where is the outrage over that? I don't see you UNION brothers standing behind him.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

It's a different ballgame if the workload CC (or CC's) were assigning job cards in a way that the junior guys were "paying their dues" so that the senior guys could disappear for hours at a time. I don't know that this was the case *this time* at LGA, but it certainly has been before (guys having bunks made up somewhere out of sight).

This has been my experience as well. 
 

Well i guess the rumor is true then, wasnt sure.  Didnt know they were ratted out, that sucks.  But reading the post above the one thing i like to know is how long someone is suppose to pay their dues?  I have over 20 years laid off 5 times taken more concessions than i can remember lived in 6 different cities.  Now i am one of the jr seniority mech at my station and had a guy with over 40 years that never been laid off in his whole career tell me i havent paid my dues.  

I would have thought that would have been obvious by now. You will pay your dues until YOU decide you are done paying them. I told you "paying dues" is a concept people with seniority use to manipulate junior employees. Even if that junior employee has 20 years.
 
Are you starting to get the picture now?

 

[Vortilon]

First off I chose to leave to pursue another opportunity. I could have just as easily went to Dallas PT and worked FT hours. I left because I saw no future for ME at American Airlines. Not because someone ran me off (GTFO).
 
You might not like what I am saying but that does not change the fact that generational attitudes have changed. 
 
I am not trying to offend you JFK Fleet Service, I am just giving you a realistic view of GEN Y's work mentality. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
Why would someone have to be an AMT to comment? What? You don't think that happens in Fleet?
 
My father worked decades in a place that rotated shifts EVERY WEEK (Days, Evenings, Nights) and NEVER slept at work. He also never missed 1 day his whole career. 
 
You are missing the point. This generation is not career minded. They may have a field they are going to stay in but most have not intention of staying with a single employer their whole career. 

 
 
Look, I have worked almost half of my 29 years at AA on night shift - class one station, and class two as well.  There are no FSCs on the shift - at least none that I see out on the ramp.  Fleet service operates differently then A/C Maint.  too many nuances to list. Not unlike fleet, the work assignments are handed out by the Crew Chiefs - that is where the similarities part ways.  In A/C Maint. the accepted practice; in most cases, to be fair is - if you are on your monday or tuesday - expect to have the heavier workload.  As the week progresses, and you've had your turn in the barrel, your workload should be a little lighter.  If one of your crew members is struggling, then he should be helped out -  a good crew chief would know this.  Now if there are guys who never help anybody else out, and sandbag on their own assignments - then they just dig their own hole.  My guess, the LGA Rat fits into this catagory.  Now you're pulling the daddy card-really?  Not gonna go down that road.

 

[AP Tech]

Been in this business 25+ years, when you hire on you are given a contract book which states depending on the airline, how days off, shifts, vacation will be awarded.....if you don't like it, then turn down the position!!!  Worked nights with middle of the week off for the better part of 15 years, along with most of the major holidays!!!  Its called SENORITY!!!!  Really chaps my A*S now to hear new hires complaining about the system, "we should have rotating days off, shifts, ect"...a gun was not held to your head to accept the position...its called SENORITY!!!  Give them 10 yrs or so and the may realize that is all that is left in this business !!!  Way too many Suck A*ses in this business to do it any other way than SENORITY!!!!
 
BTW....I put RATS and SCABS in the same classification...have no use for them!!!

 

[AANOTOK]

I have worked 99% of my 31 year career on evenings and it is no different. Maybe you don't want to list all the "nuances", but what you did list is no different than Fleet. Work load starts out heavy, winds down as the week does. Clerk is a little overwhelmed, receives some support from others and a good CC knows when and how to distribute that support. Clerk struggling yet never helps anyone else, at times he is considered to have made his own bed, now he must sleep in it. Other times, the job MUST get done and support is given to the slacker and he/she is dealt with in other ways (by his crew).

 

[AANOTOK]

...and yes Lo, there are those who abuse the hell out of their seniority. A guy with 30 years can be just as much of a rat as a guy with 10 years or less!