firings in LGA

[Rogallo]

Then you address it through the union first about the issue, not snitch on them that had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

 
Yeah, that works!

 

[FWAAA]

Then you address it through the union first about the issue, not snitch on them that had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

That might work, if the workers were actually represented by a real union, instead of the totally worthless union.   A sorry ass excuse for a union if I've ever seen one.      
 
My union doesn't protect the lazy and shiftless.   But then again, my union negotiates pay raises instead of concessions.   

 

[737823]

Then you address it through the union first about the issue, not snitch on them that had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

What would the IAM do?

Josh

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

A crew chief or lead makes the assignments, its legal and contractual, and in my 20+ years in aviation, the junior guys did get the worse workloads, and there is nothing against the rules for that to occur.

I decided to "view it anyway" because I wanted to see what you had to say on this specific issue.
 
There is a big difference between giving someone less desirable assignments and setting up a scam to let senior people walk all over junior people. There may be nothing against the rules about the way the crew chief divides the work up but there is definitely rules against sleeping on the job. 
 

A union member doesnt rat on another union member.

That is nothing but propaganda that people use to control others. It is nothing more than a social form of bullying. 
 
Don't expect new unindoctrinated people to put value on ideals that are used to take advantage of them. The new generation does not think the same way you do. You better get used to that idea. You are probably going to be seeing alot more of this. You say people should fight for what they want.......that is exactly what he did. 
 
This little scam worked when people expected to have a career at one employer, these days jobs are seen as temporary. The new generation does not give a damn if they piss you off or not because from their point of the view the job is temporary and they will be damned if they are going to let you get away with that crap. They are not there to build long term relationships with their coworkers, they are there to make money, period. 
 
THEY 

DON'T
 
CARE
 
Welcome to the Generation Y workforce.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Then you address it through the union first about the issue, not snitch on them that had nothing to do with the issue at hand.

Seriously? 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

No one's saying it's not legal or contractual. It's about taking it in the shorts night after night and getting tired of it.

Exactly.
 

My union doesn't protect the lazy and shiftless.   But then again, my union negotiates pay raises instead of concessions.   

Members of the TWU have a warped sense of what a UNION really is. It goes beyond concessions and contracts, the whole culture of the TWU is screwed up.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

New guys always get/got hammered,its called paying your dues.

I can't speak to how maintenance assigns work,but in Line Cargo a new P/T'er can expect some of the heaviest freeload trips on their shift.

I remember CCS on a 757 being a flat out pig,with 2-3 carts left behind every day for volume.I didn't **** up and run to management,I did the work and made my bones.

If you're gonna' get some Zzzz's,go to the parking lot FFS.

 

[eolesen]

There is a big difference between giving someone less desirable assignments and setting up a scam to let senior people walk all over junior people. There may be nothing against the rules about the way the crew chief divides the work up but there is definitely rules against sleeping on the job.

I don't normally agree with you, but on this one you're right -- there's a fine line between getting the worst assignments, and being complicit in someone else committing fraud.

Sleeping on the job is intentional restriction of output. That's one of the oldest core rules of conduct, and something that nobody here has ever been able to come up with a cogent argument in defending someone who was fired for it.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I don't normally agree with you

I find that odd because I agree with you 90 percent of the time.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

New guys always get/got hammered,its called paying your dues.

Paying your dues? GMAFB. 
 
Paying your dues is just a manipulative phrase that has been used for far too long to excuse abusive behaviors applied to junior people. 
 
I guess you think doing the same job you do for half your pay is not enough "dues paying".
 
 
This is how the newer generation thinks
 
Considering that long term careers are becoming a thing of the past what in the world makes you think I am willing to "pay dues" to make your life easier when I am earning half the pay (with a 9 year top out) just to have American Airlines kick me to the curb when they are done using me up while you stay on the clock to victimize the next wave of new hires? What do I get out of it?
 
The concept of paying your dues is about to go the way of the dinosaur. The younger generation having no expectations (and in some cases want) of lifelong employment with a single employer have no reason to put up with it. Why should they? From their perspective you can take that "paying your dues" philosophy and shove it up your backside. They could care less.
 
You are living in the past.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Ahh,we should cater to the whims of the 'Microwave Generation' and their insatiable desire for gratification right this @#$%ing second...

No.

They can GTFO,just like you did.

 

[Vortilon]

What I find odd, is a bunch of non AMTs commenting on something that might have happened in a department you know nothing of, and on a shift that most have never had to work.  Until any of you company suckups have worked line night shift in all weather conditions including holidays, and attempting to lead a somewhat normal life, your 2 cents - is just that.  Anybody that has worked that shift, and tells you that they never slept a wink (even if by accident) on shift isn't being honest. 
 
I also believe that what goes around - comes around.  If there was a rat, it will be found.  At that point, said rat will need to be looking over their shoulder - the rest of their career.

 

[AANYER]

To all,
 
The junior employee who did this was no alter boy.  He complained at each and every assignment that he received.  He complained to management about why he was being rotated.  He is a junior employee who thought that he was privileged and didn't have to do anything that he was required to do.  When I started with the company a few decades ago, management ensured that we were well rounded and that we were not pigeon hole.  So, what we have now, is several junior employees who travel and believes that they should not be assigned any significant task so that their lives can be made easy.  If this is the new American, well good luck.  We had a stelar record for b-ck performance at LGA.  Some of the employees that may be let go, would go above and beyond to ensure that our aircraft are on time.  I personally know of many times that they have been called upon to save LGA when we had Aircraft damaged.  These employees would stop whatever they were doing when called upon by management, because there are specialist at what they do. There is one gentleman particularly who was called upon on numerous occasions when he was home with his family to show up at work to fix broken and damaged out of service Aircraft.  Let me also say this, these employees know more about the Aircraft that all of the junior mechanics combined. Let me add, the junior employees that called corporate security are the same ones that damage the tail of the last aircraft damage at LGA.  It just happens so, that one of the same gentleman that may be let go also fixed that Aircraft and placed it back in service.  These employees and good decent people, they have never told management that they cannot complete any task.  I can recall many winters working in the hash weather conditions with these same employees.  These are employees who have never had any incidents on their record.  Let me also add, if any of you GODs are perfect, then continue to caste stones.  However, just remember, what goes around comes around.
 
The expertise at LGA lies in the minds and hands of the senior technicians, not the junior guys that don't even know how to read and interpret the Aircraft Manuals properly. Many don't even have proper tools in their boxes.  When we went trough bankruptcy, all of the top level junior technicians that were valued, prized and skilled gents got jobs at other carriers and left.  What we were left with was the unskilled guys that only received jobs at American Airlines when we were desperate for people.  I can attest to this, I live it every night.  These junior employees has to be led by their hands, almost none are self starters.
 
Last, for all of you perfect employees, not even our CEO Doug Parker is perfect.  It's said that he may have had a DWI, and look, he's is still our CEO.  Let's hope there's room for forgiveness.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Any one that think its good for someone to lose there job is the lowest form of scum there is. If you dont understand how unions work and you dont like the fact that a Man with 30years deserves a easier job than a Man with 2year. You should Quit. If you also like to turn union brothers in so they can lose there jobs. Why dont you put your real Name on here and tell me where I can meet you  and we can have a VERY nice Conversation One on One and I am pretty sure I can change your small mind about the way you Think. Larry Davis  Aircraft Mechanic in Miami
 
Cant wait to meet you . 

 

[blue collar]

What I find odd, is a bunch of non AMTs commenting on something that might have happened in a department you know nothing of, and on a shift that most have never had to work.  Until any of you company suckups have worked line night shift in all weather conditions including holidays, and attempting to lead a somewhat normal life, your 2 cents - is just that.  Anybody that has worked that shift, and tells you that they never slept a wink (even if by accident) on shift isn't being honest. 
 
I also believe that what goes around - comes around.  If there was a rat, it will be found.  At that point, said rat will need to be looking over their shoulder - the rest of their career.

Not to mention, aviation is a small world. Choices and actions follow you for your entire career.