Firearm discharges on US Airways flight

[EastUS]

BTW. There is a fairly often discussed scenario that is discussed during initial screening. Suffice it to say that should a major disturbance occur in the terminal, or other public area, the TSA expects an FFDO to utilize his/her weapon if necessary to save lives.

In such a case, which unfortunately, is by no means unlikely over time; I'd certainly prefer that you/any/all FFDO's have immediate access to your weapons, without the need for "going into the luggage".

The TSA does have considerable lattitude in it's affairs, and establishing more sensible carrying regulations shouldn't prove any large legal issue.

We've sadly now seen a serious incident. It's far past time to re-think the established methodology.

From 700's posted link: ""It's clearly a minor incident, but I think it's endemic of potentially larger problems," said Stuart Klaskin at KKC aviation consulting.
Pilots, in particular, have enough to think about during a flight without worrying about keeping their weapons safe."

I fully agree with that last. I don't ever recall any concerns from my USAF time about "keeping their weapons safe" though, since said weapons were "worn" securely, and not messed around with via all the "lockbox"/holster/in/out/etc insanity.

 

[BeenThereDoneThat]

The TSA does have considerable lattitude in it's affairs, and establishing more sensible carrying regulations shouldn't prove any large legal issue.

If an aircraft system has a deficiency of whatever magnatude is required, the FAA issues an Air Directive (AD) to correct the problem within a reasonalbe amount of time; most recent is the MD-80 wiring bundle problem.
Doesn't it make sense that if TSA knows that the padlock system is deficient and hind sight proven to be dangerous, they should take some immediate action to preclude this from happening again. At least from the same cause?

 

[Dog Wonder]

The TSA will introduce tomorrow the Federal Flight Deck Officer Buddy Self Defense Plan (FFDOBSDP). This plan is in response to a First Officer being caught defenseless when an FFDO fired his weapon across the First Officer's lap and through the fuselage of the aircraft.

The FFDOBSDP will authorize any crew member sharing a cockpit with an armed FFDO to carry the sidearm of his choice provided it is loaded and accessible.

TSA Director of Safety Charlton Tackleberry, formerly Shooting Instructor to Dick Cheney before his rapid rise through the TSA hierarchy said "I wouldn't want to caught gunless in this situation, or any situation."

The AFA has already filed a protest to the rule change. Gloria Holtz, Senior Mama and FMLA Queen said, "I wouldn't let any one of my three ex-husband Pilots hold a gun unless it was filled with water. And one of those couldn't be trusted with a SuperSoaker."

 

[wopr21]

I think that ALL pilots should be armed. If you can't or won't carry a weapon, go find a new job.

I think all passengers should be armed. " Heres your seat assignment and your 45, Have a nice flight."

I dare anyone to try anything. There are many more good people with guns than bad.

 

[delldude]

The TSA will introduce tomorrow the Federal Flight Deck Officer Buddy Self Defense Plan (FFDOBSDP). This plan is in response to a First Officer being caught defenseless when an FFDO fired his weapon across the First Officer's lap and through the fuselage of the aircraft.

The FFDOBSDP will authorize any crew member sharing a cockpit with an armed FFDO to carry the sidearm of his choice provided it is loaded and accessible.

TSA Director of Safety Charlton Tackleberry, formerly Shooting Instructor to Dick Cheney before his rapid rise through the TSA hierarchy said "I wouldn't want to caught gunless in this situation, or any situation."

The AFA has already filed a protest to the rule change. Gloria Holtz, Senior Mama and FMLA Queen said, "I wouldn't let any one of my three ex-husband Pilots hold a gun unless it was filled with water. And one of those couldn't be trusted with a SuperSoaker."

Sure this wasn't an East West cockpit thing and its being hushed up?

???

 

[BeenThereDoneThat]

The TSA will introduce tomorrow the Federal Flight Deck Officer Buddy Self Defense Plan (FFDOBSDP). This plan is in response to a First Officer being caught defenseless when an FFDO fired his weapon across the First Officer's lap and through the fuselage of the aircraft.

The Captain didn't fire the weapon across the FO's lap, unless the FO was sitting in the Captain's lap. The bullet entry and exit hole was clearly on the "left" side of the aircraft.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Sure this wasn't an East West cockpit thing and its being hushed up?

???

East and West crews are not integrated yet. Stop creating more unfounded rumors.

 

[Dog Wonder]

The Captain didn't fire the weapon across the FO's lap, unless the FO was sitting in the Captain's lap. The bullet entry and exit hole was clearly on the "left" side of the aircraft.

Your sense of humor is missing.

 

[sharktooth]

Your sense of humor is missing.

Aside from "humor lack", try this:

Video of dangerous firearm policy

I used to carry firearms in the cockpit in various and sundry wars. This kinda explains the situation. The unmentioned concept is that the entire policy is designed to fail. That it took five years is more a tribute to the people carrying and not to the Bush administration, for whom failure is their middle name.

 

[Tug McGroin]

I think we're in for a big surprise when all the world's problem are not solved by simply replacing the president. Give me a break!!

 

[ableoneable]

I think we're in for a big surprise when all the world's problem are not solved by simply replacing the president. Give me a break!!

It's a start though.

Unnecessary wars that cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives are indicative of poor decision making at the top.

 

[N965VJ]

Video of dangerous firearm policy[/url]

I used to carry firearms in the cockpit in various and sundry wars. This kinda explains the situation. The unmentioned concept is that the entire policy is designed to fail.

Okay, I’m in 1xRTT land right now (slow internet), but if what I just saw was true in this video, I’m more than ever convinced that the FFDO program is flawed at its genesis.

And not to be mistaken, I support those that participate in the FFDO program specifically, and armed citizens in general.

 

[Edward]

Folks if this doesn't get back on subject it is going to go to the water cooler.

 

[freedom]

Us airways pilots are in the middle of a mini civil war … they shouldn’t be allowed to pack heat …..duuhhhhh :wacko: duhhhhh let’s arm these men who hate each other and lock them in small metal rooms for hours on end duhhh duhhhhhhhh :wacko: :wacko:

EDIT :BTW no disrespect is meant to most of our pilots at us airways when I write things like that , it’s just I worry that a select minority among you might be a little too wound up in your inter union conflict .

 

[N965VJ]

Yup, and uninformed comments like this drive the topic away from informed discussion.