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[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 12/5/2002 7:35:40 AM PineyBob wrote:
[P]Tug Slug,[BR]I happen to believe your time is up no matter what. To me the decision you make should be based on extending your employment for as long a period as possible by any means! Negotiate severance and get the company to agree to pay something towards retraining. I read every single post on the threads that I respond to and my conclussion is that Dave & Jerry Glass have completely out foxed your union negotiators at every turn. If it were football you'd be behind 54-0 at halftime. they have you all painted into corner you can't get out of. Your decision IMHO is how to minimize casualties, not how to preserve the status quo![BR][BR]I think the only reason Chip seemd so pro management is that he feels like I do. That either way I'm getting screwed, so what steps do I take to minimize the screwing I know I am about to get. I don't profess to know what Chips' real thoughts are, Heck if i could read minds you think I'd be here posting.[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]Bob, I think you should educate yourself on the issues before you post, the unionized employees at US Airways all ready have severence in our labor agreements. ANd this company will not pay diddily squat for someone to be retrained, they are in bankruptcy remember? Sometimes you need to learn when to stand up instead of taking it in the shorts. What this company wants is to be a virtual airline with mimimum employees. 500 RJs flown by non-us airways employees, worked by non-us airways employees and maintained by non-us airways employees.[BR][BR]I can give you tons of information about the shody work done by vendors who work on airplane, valujet had a virtual maitenance program and you saw what happened to them. I would rather fly on an airplane that a mechanic who works for the company that flies them then a vendor who employees independant contractors so they do not have to provide insurance or medical benefits to them so keep their costs down and get cheap labor.[BR][BR]Bob you are not an airline employee and you do not have any idea of what sacrifces have been made by all the airline workers, we are being assaulted at every front. And if we dont stand up and fight for our rights and dignity we might as well commit suicide. Those before us faught the battles to achieve what we have now, and I for one will not turn my back and vote away my wages, benefits and employment. If you look back in history, people who have fought for their rights usually end up winnning.[BR][BR]And like I said no airline has ever been saved by employee give backs be it voluntary or mandatory:[BR]Pan Am, National, Eastern, Braniff (Three times), Midway (twice), Vangaurd, National, TWA, Air South, Air 21, Air Atlanta, Peoples Express, Pro Air, Air Florida, Eastwind, Tower Air and numerous others. More airlines have been created and failed since deregulation in 1978 then in the previous 50 years. The problem is the industry is broken and paycuts and layoffs will not fix the core problem.
[BLOCKQUOTE][BR]----------------[BR]On 12/5/2002 7:35:40 AM PineyBob wrote:
[P]Tug Slug,[BR]I happen to believe your time is up no matter what. To me the decision you make should be based on extending your employment for as long a period as possible by any means! Negotiate severance and get the company to agree to pay something towards retraining. I read every single post on the threads that I respond to and my conclussion is that Dave & Jerry Glass have completely out foxed your union negotiators at every turn. If it were football you'd be behind 54-0 at halftime. they have you all painted into corner you can't get out of. Your decision IMHO is how to minimize casualties, not how to preserve the status quo![BR][BR]I think the only reason Chip seemd so pro management is that he feels like I do. That either way I'm getting screwed, so what steps do I take to minimize the screwing I know I am about to get. I don't profess to know what Chips' real thoughts are, Heck if i could read minds you think I'd be here posting.[/P]----------------[/BLOCKQUOTE]
[P][/P]Bob, I think you should educate yourself on the issues before you post, the unionized employees at US Airways all ready have severence in our labor agreements. ANd this company will not pay diddily squat for someone to be retrained, they are in bankruptcy remember? Sometimes you need to learn when to stand up instead of taking it in the shorts. What this company wants is to be a virtual airline with mimimum employees. 500 RJs flown by non-us airways employees, worked by non-us airways employees and maintained by non-us airways employees.[BR][BR]I can give you tons of information about the shody work done by vendors who work on airplane, valujet had a virtual maitenance program and you saw what happened to them. I would rather fly on an airplane that a mechanic who works for the company that flies them then a vendor who employees independant contractors so they do not have to provide insurance or medical benefits to them so keep their costs down and get cheap labor.[BR][BR]Bob you are not an airline employee and you do not have any idea of what sacrifces have been made by all the airline workers, we are being assaulted at every front. And if we dont stand up and fight for our rights and dignity we might as well commit suicide. Those before us faught the battles to achieve what we have now, and I for one will not turn my back and vote away my wages, benefits and employment. If you look back in history, people who have fought for their rights usually end up winnning.[BR][BR]And like I said no airline has ever been saved by employee give backs be it voluntary or mandatory:[BR]Pan Am, National, Eastern, Braniff (Three times), Midway (twice), Vangaurd, National, TWA, Air South, Air 21, Air Atlanta, Peoples Express, Pro Air, Air Florida, Eastwind, Tower Air and numerous others. More airlines have been created and failed since deregulation in 1978 then in the previous 50 years. The problem is the industry is broken and paycuts and layoffs will not fix the core problem.
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