F/A union bashing has got to stop...

[safety stud]

This constant union bashing has to stop. I have been a F/A for nearly 25 years. I have seen the bad with the good. The union knows its members have issues... But you are bashing the organization that still protects you. Think about this while you make the wage you do. Work the hours you do. Work the system and the trade board to your advantage. Get over it. This company consists of member other than reserves. Period...

For those of you that are junior to me, I'm sorry you have a situation you aren't happy with. Like all company's including airlines everyone has issues. You had a choice when the contract was voted on. You chose YES. You accepted the conditions of the contract. Now you have to live with it. The only way... Let me say this again... The only way to bring about change is to vote NO if you can't accept the working conditions the contract provides. CLT, PHL, BOS, DCA all voted the last round FOR the contract. You had your chance to turn it down. You didn't... Now we all are dealing with it.

To say reserves are the apex of a company is ludicris. If you stay in a company for any length of time, it is your duty to provide rewards for seniority. This is how you establish longevity. We have all paid our dues. You are not alone.

What do you think is going to happen when the Delta/USAirways merger goes through? Because Delta has more F/A's that we do, WE, the buying airline will have to vote on union representation as a group. There are 14,000 + of them and around 7,000 of us. Do the math. Are you prepared to do give up the protection you have? Do you honestly think that going without a flight attendant union on the combined property is a good thing. Do you think the combined company's management is going to treat us as financialy sound as it does now? Get real...

As I have stated in the past. Unity is the only way progressive change takes place. A house divided falls... A house unified remains strong...

 

[andyperkins]

I could not agree more!
Stud you make some great points, but dont forget many of the F/A’s who voted on this agreement did so with emotions running high, my difficulty would be with the F/A’s that didn’t vote at all. My hope would be that had everyone cast a vote, our lives would be much different.

Some will argue that had we voted NO, U would have closed its doors and each of us would be pursuing different courses. Still others contend the leadership would have met at the table again and focused on the parts that gave the members the most difficulty. Who knows? In any case, bashing comes from many directions and the company and the unions are the natural target. It will be a glorious day when the F/A stands and says "I am to blame for this, but I’m not going to make the mistake again!" Imagine

I hope is that someone is listening, and learning from what the anonymous voices are saying…taking this feedback, and using it to make things better. I know I am.

We must not forget that his agreement was forced upon the employees for fear of loosing everything. The Billions of dollars spent employing the Union Busting negotiators produced just what was intended. The lowest paid airline employees in the country I would not begrudge them for being a little bitter.

 

[l8rd8r]

This constant union bashing has to stop. I have been a F/A for nearly 25 years. I have seen the bad with the good. The union knows its members have issues... But you are bashing the organization that still protects you. Think about this while you make the wage you do. Work the hours you do. Work the system and the trade board to your advantage. Get over it. This company consists of member other than reserves. Period...

For those of you that are junior to me, I'm sorry you have a situation you aren't happy with. Like all company's including airlines everyone has issues. You had a choice when the contract was voted on. You chose YES. You accepted the conditions of the contract. Now you have to live with it. The only way... Let me say this again... The only way to bring about change is to vote NO if you can't accept the working conditions the contract provides. CLT, PHL, BOS, DCA all voted the last round FOR the contract. You had your chance to turn it down. You didn't... Now we all are dealing with it.

To say reserves are the apex of a company is ludicris. If you stay in a company for any length of time, it is your duty to provide rewards for seniority. This is how you establish longevity. We have all paid our dues. You are not alone.

What do you think is going to happen when the Delta/USAirways merger goes through? Because Delta has more F/A's that we do, WE, the buying airline will have to vote on union representation as a group. There are 14,000 + of them and around 7,000 of us. Do the math. Are you prepared to do give up the protection you have? Do you honestly think that going without a flight attendant union on the combined property is a good thing. Do you think the combined company's management is going to treat us as financialy sound as it does now? Get real...

As I have stated in the past. Unity is the only way progressive change takes place. A house divided falls... A house unified remains strong..

Where did you get the number for F/A's? East has 8200 alone.

 

[rsv4ever]

This constant union bashing has to stop. I have been a F/A for nearly 25 years. I have seen the bad with the good. The union knows its members have issues... But you are bashing the organization that still protects you. Think about this while you make the wage you do. Work the hours you do. Work the system and the trade board to your advantage. Get over it. This company consists of member other than reserves. Period...

For those of you that are junior to me, I'm sorry you have a situation you aren't happy with. Like all company's including airlines everyone has issues. You had a choice when the contract was voted on. You chose YES. You accepted the conditions of the contract. Now you have to live with it. The only way... Let me say this again... The only way to bring about change is to vote NO if you can't accept the working conditions the contract provides. CLT, PHL, BOS, DCA all voted the last round FOR the contract. You had your chance to turn it down. You didn't... Now we all are dealing with it.

To say reserves are the apex of a company is ludicris. If you stay in a company for any length of time, it is your duty to provide rewards for seniority. This is how you establish longevity. We have all paid our dues. You are not alone.

What do you think is going to happen when the Delta/USAirways merger goes through? Because Delta has more F/A's that we do, WE, the buying airline will have to vote on union representation as a group. There are 14,000 + of them and around 7,000 of us. Do the math. Are you prepared to do give up the protection you have? Do you honestly think that going without a flight attendant union on the combined property is a good thing. Do you think the combined company's management is going to treat us as financialy sound as it does now? Get real...

As I have stated in the past. Unity is the only way progressive change takes place. A house divided falls... A house unified remains strong...

hey there... as a reserve, i have to disagree with some of what you are saying. yes, the contract did pass, but not 100% of the reserves voted for it, so you really can't say "you chose yes"... because i DIDN'T choose yes. i agree that there are people who have paid there dues (especially PIT f/as and those hired '89-'92)... they still go back and forth on reserve. however, the majority of "senior" people have told me that they either were NEVER on reserve or on reserve for a maximum of 6 months... i don't consider that they have "paid dues" when it comes to being a reserve. and they certainly don't understand what it's like to end the month with 40 hours of company time when we sit here for almost 20 days. a minimum guarantee paycheck for 73 hours is hardly enough to make the end of the month, while i try to save for a rainy day and add to my retirement. i refuse NOT to contribute to my retirement, as i see the age of some of our f/as who must work bc they never had a retirement plan. no other airline has a reserve system like this. i have never "bashed" the union however i think in future negotiations, a better reserve system can be utilized.

 

[Travelpro72]

We all have paid our dues? We should learn to LIVE WITH IT? There is NOOOO WAAAAAYYYYYYY in hell anyone senior dealt with a reserve system as we have it today. It also wasn't RESERVES who voted yes to this contract. I'm sure an overwhelming number of blockholders voted this $h!tty system into place thinking it would NEVER get to their seniority. Well it has and now its a big problem. We STILL are beint treated horrible and 2nd class. The whole 24/7 rule is case in point. The union negotiated with the company to lower the floor. Please tell me what the hell that does for a reserve? I don't wanna hear it. The debate is BUNK. I don't think the top half should lose out as we would like the bennies some day but the reserve is constantly and continually thrown under the bus. Always have and always will without change. The top half with 20+ IS protected at the expense of everyone else. To say differently is pure ignorance and denial.

 

[Twicebaked]

This constant union bashing has to stop. I have been a F/A for nearly 25 years. I have seen the bad with the good. The union knows its members have issues... But you are bashing the organization that still protects you. Think about this while you make the wage you do. Work the hours you do. Work the system and the trade board to your advantage. Get over it. This company consists of member other than reserves. Period...

Excuse Me????????

You have 25 years!!!!

The stuff that affects us does NOT affect you. If it did you would not be signing praise to the union!!

What are they doing to protect my living? Are they protecting me so that I can actually make a livable wage? NO, but they sure as hell protected that for you. Are they protecting me so that I have a life? So that I can not sit prisoner for 6 days straight, 24 hours a day? No, but they sure as hell protected your duty day not to exceed 8 hours.

So, don't hand me that line of BS.

Until you walk in our shoes....shut it.

And I don't want to hear I did my time.

NOBODY HAS DONE THEIR TIME LIKE US ON THIS FRIGGIN SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[l8rd8r]

Excuse Me????????

You have 25 years!!!!

The stuff that affects us does NOT affect you. If it did you would not be signing praise to the union!!

What are they doing to protect my living? Are they protecting me so that I can actually make a livable wage? NO, but they sure as hell protected that for you. Are they protecting me so that I have a life? So that I can not sit prisoner for 6 days straight, 24 hours a day? No, but they sure as hell protected your duty day not to exceed 8 hours.

So, don't hand me that line of BS.

Until you walk in our shoes....shut it.

And I don't want to hear I did my time.

NOBODY HAS DONE THEIR TIME LIKE US ON THIS FRIGGIN SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DING DING DING...YOUR THE WINNER. YUP, AFTER 25 YEARS OF BEING AT THIS AIRLINE THE ONLY LOSERS HAVE BEEN THE RESERVES!! LITTLE SELF SERVING NARCISSITIC TEAM PLAYER YOU ARE.

 

[Twicebaked]

DING DING DING...YOUR THE WINNER. YUP, AFTER 25 YEARS OF BEING AT THIS AIRLINE THE ONLY LOSERS HAVE BEEN THE RESERVES!! LITTLE SELF SERVING NARCISSITIC TEAM PLAYER YOU ARE.

If you have nothing constructive to say to the point...don't speak.

Let me guess, you must very senior as well.....

All of you that think we have life by the balls, sit reserve for a few months (as a commuter) and come back and tell me that I am being self serving.

We have all had ups and downs with this airline, but with this system it is ALL DOWN FOR US!!!!!!!!

 

[Travelpro72]

DING DING DING...YOUR THE WINNER. YUP, AFTER 25 YEARS OF BEING AT THIS AIRLINE THE ONLY LOSERS HAVE BEEN THE RESERVES!! LITTLE SELF SERVING NARCISSITIC TEAM PLAYER YOU ARE.

Let me ask you an honest question. "Why don't you bid reserve and come enjoy it with the rest of us"? I just curious. NO blockholder has the answer to THAT.

 

[hula-flyguy]

The reserves were indeed dealt a severe blow under this system, no question about that.

It is inconcievable to have 20-25 year f/a's sitting reserve. It is also inconceivable to have 5-10 year f/a's sitting reserve.

I remember how the jr. f/a's complained about the old system. The only thing that has changed is that now ALL rsv's f/a's have something to complain about.

My hope for you all is that with the new contract, rsv's. have a bit of flexibility and can earn a living wage. Our employees should not be in the position where they qualify for food stamps!

Too bad the group as a whole cant come together for common good of all involved.

Iwish you well!

 

[N109UW]

Wow, Safety(sorry, can't seem to get myself to call you stud), you really opened up a can of worms here. Maybe you are the F/A I sat next to and kept telling me how good we RSV'a have it. I suggested bidding RSV next month and got " Oh, I don't want to be a RSV." Try 40 month(and counting) of minimum guarantee and thats at 17 years senoirity. Sorry to tell you this, but the union bashing is going to have to continue, at least until we get some reps in there who are willing to go to the plate for everyone. It's called equal representation, and I'm getting the feeling that RSV'a aren't feeling it. See, the difference beteen you and I, is that you go into every month knowing you are going to get a 85-90 hours, full per diem paycheck, while I go into every month knowing that I will probably get 40 hours of actual flight time, plus 33 hours min. guarantee. That's of course, if I don't want to give up those precious 11 days off I get as a RSV. I no, jsu because I din't fly on company time. doesn't mean I had the day off. When you are off, you are actually off, when I don't fly, I still have to sit around base on call. Not even close to the same. And yes, this company does have other members than RSV's, however, most don't have a clue of what is going on below them. (sort of like our union reps)Note, that could be considered union bashing.

 

[Informed1]

This constant union bashing has to stop. I have been a F/A for nearly 25 years. I have seen the bad with the good. The union knows its members have issues... But you are bashing the organization that still protects you. Think about this while you make the wage you do. Work the hours you do. Work the system and the trade board to your advantage. Get over it. This company consists of member other than reserves. Period...

For those of you that are junior to me, I'm sorry you have a situation you aren't happy with. Like all company's including airlines everyone has issues. You had a choice when the contract was voted on. You chose YES. You accepted the conditions of the contract. Now you have to live with it. The only way... Let me say this again... The only way to bring about change is to vote NO if you can't accept the working conditions the contract provides. CLT, PHL, BOS, DCA all voted the last round FOR the contract. You had your chance to turn it down. You didn't... Now we all are dealing with it.

To say reserves are the apex of a company is ludicris. If you stay in a company for any length of time, it is your duty to provide rewards for seniority. This is how you establish longevity. We have all paid our dues. You are not alone.

What do you think is going to happen when the Delta/USAirways merger goes through? Because Delta has more F/A's that we do, WE, the buying airline will have to vote on union representation as a group. There are 14,000 + of them and around 7,000 of us. Do the math. Are you prepared to do give up the protection you have? Do you honestly think that going without a flight attendant union on the combined property is a good thing. Do you think the combined company's management is going to treat us as financialy sound as it does now? Get real...

As I have stated in the past. Unity is the only way progressive change takes place. A house divided falls... A house unified remains strong...

Okay, first of all, a majority of the blockholders who assuemd the LTO system would never affect them voted yes! What is funny is the fact that many of those "blockholders" are now sitting reserve. I voted no for the record. I could have cared less if the doors closed. You know why? Because there are other jobs out there and it is necessary to take a stand for what one believes in. Don't get me wrong, I still like my job (I think) I just get so tired of watching everything work to the advantage of the blockholders. And for speaking of unions, Delta was never unionized and until just recently, they had one of the best contracts in the industry that was fair for all. Living proof that a union is not necessary if management respects it's employees.

 

[andyperkins]

[/quote]And for speaking of unions, Delta was never unionized and until just recently, they had one of the best contracts in the industry that was fair for all. Living proof that a union is not necessary if management respects it's employees.
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Ok, I have to jump in on this one…

If memory serves, Delta was in the midst of AFA organizing when that contract you speak of was offered to the F/A’s. They had no choice, and once in bankruptcy they came back, the F/A’s had turned down AFA representation, and took back all the improvements. Delta management has no respect for their employees any more than ours does…any DL people wish to confirm that? At lease we had an opportunity to negotiate thanks to the UNION.

Remember the good ole days…
PASS SICK?
PASS for a 1 day? B)
Sitting on the beach if you were based in LA?

 

[hula-flyguy]

my all time favorite is a blockholder going on the bidsheet for "an easy out and back" Ahhhh...those were the days indeed.

 

[Informed1]

This constant union bashing has to stop. I have been a F/A for nearly 25 years. I have seen the bad with the good. The union knows its members have issues... But you are bashing the organization that still protects you. Think about this while you make the wage you do. Work the hours you do. Work the system and the trade board to your advantage. Get over it. This company consists of member other than reserves. Period...

For those of you that are junior to me, I'm sorry you have a situation you aren't happy with. Like all company's including airlines everyone has issues. You had a choice when the contract was voted on. You chose YES. You accepted the conditions of the contract. Now you have to live with it. The only way... Let me say this again... The only way to bring about change is to vote NO if you can't accept the working conditions the contract provides. CLT, PHL, BOS, DCA all voted the last round FOR the contract. You had your chance to turn it down. You didn't... Now we all are dealing with it.

To say reserves are the apex of a company is ludicris. If you stay in a company for any length of time, it is your duty to provide rewards for seniority. This is how you establish longevity. We have all paid our dues. You are not alone.

What do you think is going to happen when the Delta/USAirways merger goes through? Because Delta has more F/A's that we do, WE, the buying airline will have to vote on union representation as a group. There are 14,000 + of them and around 7,000 of us. Do the math. Are you prepared to do give up the protection you have? Do you honestly think that going without a flight attendant union on the combined property is a good thing. Do you think the combined company's management is going to treat us as financialy sound as it does now? Get real...

As I have stated in the past. Unity is the only way progressive change takes place. A house divided falls... A house unified remains strong...

Oh, and one more thing. Don't forget, those who did vote yes, voted yes for the entire contract! Remember that little section of the contract called Preferential Bidding? That was supposed to replace the current system for the blockholders. Basically, what you bid for is what you fly. The AIL was to go away. That system was to be implemented at the same time as LTO. Doing so would have left trips for the reserves to fly. But have you seen that happen? Absolutely not! And is anyone in the union pushing to implement it? Nope! Why, because it would change the quality of life for blockholders. No longer would they be able to work 40 hours a month and have full time benefits...