Excitement At The Hall

[Decision 2004]

Kevin Creaser voted not to suspend the three from office. And Kevin Creaser was seen intimidating one of the witnesses at the Hall today! Randy McDonald was witnessed to some of the events that took placed and is attempting to take a neutral position! Are these the individuals you want to elect? Let your voice be heard and make it clear in the upcoming local elections by removing them from office!

How come Kevin Creaser is not suspended for "intimidating" witnesses?

Is this "becoming conduct"?

 

[RUM@AA]

Dave there is no secrets, so let them talk!

As far as mutany? 75% of the card signers in my area have come to me and indicated they were going to vote TWU! Since the percentage was low anyway that only leaves about 6% in my area who will vote for Amfa! Since my area is one of the larger areas of employees this is a good barometer of what to expect thru-out Tulsa!

But, since I am confident their will be insufficient interest to even call for an election we all have nothing to worry about!!!

And just where is "your area"? 11929 E. Pine St.?

Insufficient interest? You're crazy. Just wait & see.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Wasn't the Rial and Burchette incident on personal time, not work time? Granted they were out of town at the convention but it was after hours was it not?

Bobby Gless told me that Burchette was asked to resign from his International position because he slept with Joe Hasens girlfriend. It seems that Joe was being a nice guy and allowed Burchette to stay with him instead of a Hotel. Burchette has a strange way of showing his appeciation.

There was something else about an insurance policy for the members.

Should it really matter whether it was personal time and how would you handle this?

Bob Owens;
Would it be "politically correct", for us Yankees to refer to the "unpleasantries" at the 514 hall as,

The "duke-out", at the "OK." corral ????????????



NH/BB's

 

[Thrustfuljet]

I would officially like to invite Bob into our 514 business on this one, after all the 514 invites everyone they like to the debates!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

I would officially like to invite Bob into our 514 business on this one, after all the 514 invites everyone they like to the debates!!!

Thanks for the invite Thrustfuljet.

The fact is that what happens in Tulsa effects us all so unless TWUER and CIO are willing to have a different contract than the rest of us it is our business what goes on there.

 

[twuer]

Oh OK,

So if they had assaulted John after hours, then we wouldn't be on the witch hunt if front of the membership?

I'm sorry, I thought you were looking for accountability for the actions not the time of day committed.

Just trying to make a point Decision regarding the way things were handled after the fact. Raptor eluded to a few facts that I will not go back over.


Since when do you care what it is I am looking for????

 

[twuer]

Wasn't the Rial and Burchette incident on personal time, not work time? Granted they were out of town at the convention but it was after hours was it not?

Bobby Gless told me that Burchette was asked to resign from his International position because he slept with Joe Hasens girlfriend. It seems that Joe was being a nice guy and allowed Burchette to stay with him instead of a Hotel. Burchette has a strange way of showing his appeciation.

There was something else about an insurance policy for the members.

Should it really matter whether it was personal time and how would you handle this?

And what skeletons do you have in your closet Bob??

I would be careful if I were you. I don't think we are discussing people's past trangressions here Bob. But then again, you are one of the kings of smear aren't you????

I am no big fan of Burchettes but this is not the time or place to bring up people's past regardless of what took place, when or where. I would think you would have more dignity than that Bob. Oops, guess I was wrong. Another asset for amfa!!!!

My point to Dave was nothing really happened to Rial or Burchette if I remember correctly, no charges drawn so how would there be precedent set?? Whole different fish to fry!! To me it makes no difference day or night, at work or not but
I don't make that call!

 

[twuer]

Thanks for the invite Thrustfuljet.

The fact is that what happens in Tulsa effects us all so unless TWUER and CIO are willing to have a different contract than the rest of us it is our business what goes on there.

Cone on now Bob, you didn't want us noseying into your business at your local when you were playing "dual unionism". But oops, we did, and look what happened!!!

But please, give us the Bob Owens scenario of how a fight between three officers in Oklahoma will affect you in NY!!! (let me guess....precedent??) But see if you can keep it to 100 words or less. No need to write anovel about it!!!

 

[twuer]

How come Kevin Creaser is not suspended for "intimidating" witnesses?

Is this "becoming conduct"?

Any witnesses willing to come forward?????? :huh:

Unlike amfa we have to follow the rules. We don't go just with what someone claims or make up our own rules. The "game" must be played right!!!


If this information is correct than I do hope there is a witness wililng to come forward and "testify". Creasor has worn out his welcome in my opinion!!!

 

[Bill]

Why just sent to the shop?

What about jail and termination?

Boy Dave, you sure didn't make this kind of harsh comment when amfa got busted with that illegally obtained list. Why not. Using information that is confidential is unbecoming isn't it???

Should you (or the company idiot who gave up the information) be fired or put behind bars for that unbecoming activity?????




HMMM, makes you wonder who's side your really on!!??

 

[Raptor]

I do not think I would want an officer of AMFA or the TWU who would advicate jail and termination for a little scuffle where no one was even hurt, removal from office of course that goes without saying but not termination and jail time.

I for one will not vote for anyone who would like to destroy another persons life over a minor mistake. :angry:
such a person would make a great company man over in HR. but a piss poor Union man in my opinion.

 

[Bob Owens]

Any witnesses willing to come forward?????? :huh:

Unlike amfa we have to follow the rules. We don't go just with what someone claims or make up our own rules. The "game" must be played right!!!

Oh Really?

 

[Decision 2004]

I do not think I would want an officer of AMFA or the TWU who would advicate jail and termination for a little scuffle where no one was even hurt, removal from office of course that goes without saying but not termination and jail time.

I for one will not vote for anyone who would like to destroy another persons life over a minor mistake. :angry:
such a person would make a great company man over in HR. but a piss poor Union man in my opinion.

Well just look at this way.

If Dave Stewart and Don Rodgers went to the Union Hall and waited for Randy McDonald to come out, and then they assaulted the man with fist and feet, where do you think Dave and Don would be right now?

Would they be awaiting an open membership hearing or an arraignment hearing?

And when the next "little scuffle" causes a heart attack and manslaughter charges are brought on the perp, then I will be sure to tell everyone about the accountability you advocated in the softer incendent that made this activity OK. I bet this would make a great defense for the manslaughter charges and penalty phase...

Manslaughter Defendant's Attorney to the Jury:

"These type of beatings have been allowed in the past because nobody "was hurt", and "good union men" never spoke up, and that is why the perp killed the guy. The guy just wanted to have a "little scuffle", he didn't know the man would die of a heart attack. You know, it was just a little crack in the mouth to get a point across. The perp really thinks the guy deserved what he had coming. But he honestly did not mean for the guy to die. The defendant should be exonerated based on the passed actions and the lack of accountability by union officers and members. It is really because "good union men" of the past allowed such scuffles, not the defendants actions that should judged."

Then the widow of the deceased, after hearing this information, would file a "Civil Action" against the "good union officers" and their union, this would not only drain the union bank funds, but if that is not enough money to cover the damages, each union member will have his check garnished to fund the jurys finding against the "good union men", until ALL losses have been made whole.

Yeah, your probably right Raptor, just blow it off. Nobody was hurt.

 

[Hackman]

Boy Dave, you sure didn't make this kind of harsh comment when amfa got busted with that illegally obtained list. Why not. Using information that is confidential is unbecoming isn't it???

Should you (or the company idiot who gave up the information) be fired or put behind bars for that unbecoming activity?????




HMMM, makes you wonder who's side your really on!!??

I will ask you bill, since twuer ignored this question before: Why was obtaining AA information illegal to prevent fraud?

Is it because both a AA and their lapdog twu committed fraud to stop this vote, and now they are backed in a corner?

Show me the "LAWS" AMFA broke by submitting this information to the NMB.

AMFA did not illegally obtain a list. The company and the twu submitted an inflated list to NMB. Anything submitted in this dispute to the NMB is made known to all parties. AMFA obtained damning information to prove, beyond a doubt, both the twu and AA committed FRAUD, which is a deliberate deception for unfair or unlawful gain.

We will soon see who the NMB finds at fault here. I do not think it will be AMFA.

Your union and your company BOTH blatently LIED to a government agency. It was not a small misrepresentation of the facts, it was a grossly decisive act ment to stop this process, at any cost, from coming to a vote. These arrogant, foolish acts committed by the twu/AA are the worst of any made before by an Airline or a Union in this type of dispute.

At least AA/twu is number one at something. CONGRATULATIONS.

Will the twu and American Airlines ever under estimate AMFA again? I sure hope so.


THE twu IS OUT THE DOOR IN 04!!!!

 

[Rusty]

Hackman, just to add a little to what you said, I think the person or persons who are responsible for getting that information should look up the Whistle Blower rules and see if there is a reward for showing the government where the twu and the company were attempting to fraud the government. The real shame of it all is the attempt to defraud the membership and it proves beyond the twu shadows of deception that the twu is the lowest form of unionism known to man.