End Of Your Career Soon.

[BoeingBoy]

I'll admit that I know little about the details of the IAM contract so if anyone can point the contractual basis for my thinking being wrong I'd appreciate it. Now to my thoughts:

Assume for a second that an arbitrator rules against the IAM. To me that means two things...

1) Past practice doesn't matter - all heavy maintenance on new fleet types have been done in house in the past.

2) All that matters is whether the company has the "facilities & equipment" to do the work.

If the above is correct, the PIT maintenance facility can be gone in a year. Any "equipment" necessary to do the Boeing heavy checks can be gone as soon as the company can find a buyer. Would either of these allow the company to outsource Boeing heavy checks (again assuming arbitration goes against the IAM)?

Jim

 

[PITbull]

MMW,

Thank you for your fine wisdom. I feel very light hearted now...how about you? :angry:

I know I'm looking forward to going through this exercise all over again. Wait there, I need to get my big boots on cause the #### is coming.

 

[diogenes]

Context and history are important in understanding why things happen.

The ruling is dismaying, but unsurprising.

Business has a free hand to break unions with this Administration's blessing.

That's not my opinion, it is words from their own mouths.

http://multinationalmonitor.org/mm2003/03j...3editorial.html

http://www.prospect.org/print/V12/6/marshall-j.html

http://www.wweek.com/html/taxman102297.html


As a good man once told me, "son, you ain't rich enough to vote Republican."

 

[PITbull]

Truth,

And lower the "bar" for themselves.

Where do you get your calculation of "majority"? I would be more in a position to know, trust me.

Yes, it is the membership of AFA that will dictate whether any of the AFA leaders go to the table. I promise you that. Absent that, you can wipe your assets with your "fly-by-the-seat-of-your- pants business-plan".

You will not get what you are planning, absent any membership BALLOTING, SYSTEM WIDE, TO EVEN SIT AT THE TABLE AND HAVE YOUR EYES GAZE AT AN OPEN CONTRACT.

And let me remind you once again, in case it slipped your small mind, PIT/PIW by majority voted the winter concession agreement down in the face of the ultimate risk you presesented. What makes you think PIT/PIW will open the contracts now?

This managment has hurt the integrity of our profession, busted our union, and destroyed our employee spirit. We will NOT make you wealthy for it. :angry:

 

[MarkMyWords]

MMW,

Thank you for your fine wisdom. I feel very light hearted now...how about you? :angry:

I know I'm looking forward to going through this exercise all over again. Wait there, I need to get my big boots on cause the #### is coming.

So PitBull -

Exactly what is it in my thinking that is wrong? Lifting the injunction the company now has the right to contract out 10 heavy checks. There will be no job losses associated with these 10 airplanes.

It is now up to the company and the IAM to come up with a plan for the future. What does that hold? Who knows? Will they be able to come up with an agreement to bring the work inhouse? Will they come up with an agreement to pahse the work back in as the boeings retire? Will the work be lost forever and as the boeings retire, so do the associated heavy jobs? You don't know, I don't know, Dave doesn't know and the IAM doesn't know.

Just curious, what is your real beef with me? I can't open my mouth and make a logical statement without you jumping in with both feet. Either you feel I am a total idiot or you can't stand it when someone can rationalize things without overflowing with emotion.

 

[BoeingBoy]

MmW,

I'll point out a small error in your thinking. Until an arbitrator rules against the company or a judge issues another injunction, the company is now free to contract out all Airbus heavy maintenance. The fact that the initial contract was for only 10 airplanes is not a factor.

Jim

 

[PITbull]

MMW,

I need to apologize to you.

You are right, I have spent over 1 year on these boards spending my nights and weekends not sleeping, not relaxing or going out with friends. I should be resting for my week, every week is hell. I am trying to keep the momentum up and keep this mangement at bay with every single ounce of energy I have.

I am so very heart-ached over this entire issue, and with this entire state of our most precious airline that WE, and I mean WE, labor have built. This franchise is ours, belongs to us, it is our airline, and we want these worthless pieces of garbage to leave. How did we get ourselves wrapped with these folks, luring us into the ATSB loans, trusting them to take from us everything we hold dear, and then flying into BK to get even more from the AACA of PIT, and the pilots pensions. demolishing our stocks. Then Concession #2, and the horrific issue of outsourcing our mechanics work, and the 20,000 employees gone off our property with both the pilots and the f/as long standing "no furlough" language given up. OUr folks on this property continue to lose thier jobs with every new policy this managment makes. They have made no concession or sacrifices. We have made the most ultimate sacrifices to attempt to save this airline and ourselves, and this team still can't do it without concession #3.

I just can't do this for them. No more.

 

[MarkMyWords]

And the Academy Award for Best Actess in a Drama goes to.........

PITBULL!!!!!



I am not saying not to care......and I know you do. But please tell me that you understand what I am saying.

 

[etops1]

it really amazes me how posters like pittbull pit guy cav and others just do not get it. the company will win on these issues. the unions are not strong at all. and you know what it all comes down to the wire. its always the same posters . with the concession stand is closed. now its the concession stand was bulldozed. you bet your ### it was bulldozed. and it will continue to be bulldozed. the fact of the matter is that the majority of u employees want their jobs. thats it bottom line. and if it means that the company has to outsource maintenance to save cash and keep going. thats the way its gonna be. the iam will try .but i bet they cannot stop it. now i am not saying its ok to outsource. i know that many employees will be affected by this and i would prefer our mechanics performimg work on our a/c rather than someone else. but the reality is that other airlines outsource and it seems to work. they are making money. the unions will cave like always . and if it comes down to the mechanics . i guarantee you that management will put this airline back into bankruptcy to get what they want. it sucks but thats the way it will be. the concession stand is demolished , don't even bother to build it again. <_<

 

[PITbull]

MMW,

I take it... its some joke for you? Remove the RED ink. It bothers my eyes.

 

[ClueByFour]

It is vital that each labor group becomes more efficient. Working together as a cohesive team is the most logical choice. I believe that this airline has the potential to become the best in the industry. We have a group of dedicated and hard working employees that continue to raise the bar of excellence.

And senior management and a chairman that by all accounts (analysts, the street, the entire roster of business 101 at your local community college) that can't lead a horse to water or sell space heaters in Nome, Alaska.

Change comes from the top, in the form of a competitive business plan that will generate revenue.

 

[MarkMyWords]

700UW posted this on a different thread and I wanted to post it here too because it does reinforce what I have been trying to say:

People once again don't let facts get in your way.

What the court ruled today means it is a minor dispute which sends it back to arbitration. The IAM did not lose the right to do the work, the company can vendor the work out until the arbitor makes a decision.

So the IAM won one battle and the company has won one battle, the war is not over.

54 years of history of peforming all overhauls inhouse will prevail.

Once again the court did not rule on the collective bargaining agreement nor the contract language.

Appeals Court Overturns Injunction Barring Airbus Outsourcing at US Airways


Washington D.C., February 3, 2004 – In a 2-1 decision, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit today overturned a lower court’s injunction preventing US Airways from subcontracting heavy maintenance of its Airbus aircraft. The Court majority held that merely by asserting arguments based on the parties’ collective bargaining agreement, US Airways met its relative light burden of showing that the dispute between the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) and US Airways was a “minor†dispute under the Railway Labor Act. In dissent, Judge Smith found that US Airways failed to show that its arguments in support of subcontracting are even theoretically plausible.

The Appeals Court did not rule on the merits of the Machinist Union’s assertion that its collective bargaining agreement requires US Airways’ IAM-represented employees to perform Airbus heavy maintenance work. Instead, the Court majority ruled that the dispute be resolved through binding arbitration.

“We have a strong case backed by 54 years of history,†said IAM General Vice President Robert Roach, Jr. “The Court majority is permitting US Airways to use frivolous arguments to circumvent the status quo requirements of the Railway Labor Act. We will not allow the airline’s arrogance and disregard for the employees that rescued the company to go unchallenged.â€

Subcontracted maintenance on Airbus aircraft was halted by the October 21, 2003 injunction issued by Judge Cindrich of the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania. Maintenance of one aircraft had already begun by Singapore Technologies Mobile Aerospace Engineering in Mobile, AL when the injunction was issued and was allowed to be completed.

 

[PITbull]

etops,

I am not going to waste my energy on you. This is my last repsonse to your pathetic opinions.

My advice to you is to get out there to the flight attendants and tell them your position on how you need your jobed saved. Let them know that you have done absolutely nothing to prepare for the worst and that you are willing, ready and able to lower the bar to as low as managment wants it just so your asset can sit on a jumpseat. Hopefully you can convince them, more than you have done me, to save your butt.

Short of membership being balloted to even open contracts, its not just going to happen for you, at all cost. Hope you get my meaning.

 

[MarkMyWords]

MMW,

I take it... its some joke for you? Remove the RED ink. It bothers my eyes.

Just trying to make you laugh babe.

 

[PITbull]

Maybe tomorrow. I should sut down now. <_<