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I have to think that workers that may be laid off over this feel allot better now after reading that.usfliboi said:
--Someone should tell the soon to be fired worker's children that we are all in it together too.
--Is this like 'tough love'? I tend to think most workers here feel like the enemy.
---Excuse me I have to go throw up now.
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PitBullPITbull said:
Well lets see my dear......
Have you seen any plans to eliminate the Boeing fleet yet? Will they all be phased out tomorrow? Have we signed an agreement for more the 10 of the S checks to be performed in AL?
My vision of short term is the next couple of years....God willing we are still here as a company. If we are talking long term, then yes, I share the concerns of the IAM employees. As the Boeing fleet is retired, and if there is no agreement to bring the AB work in house, then yes it will cost jobs.
As a result of todays ruling, how many mtc tracks will be cut? NONE. How many pink slips were handed out today? NONE. You can keep spreading your doom and gloom, but I am telling you, and Pitguy that there will be no layoffs in the short term as a reslut of this ruling and the work on the first 10 airplanes. For you, or anyone else to com eon here and say so is doing nothing more then spreading FUD and causing additional stress and worry one employees that are all ready morally bankrupt. Shame on you!
Oh gee!!!!! If I were an employee I have much to be thankful for now that I know my job will be secure for another two years.....maybe if short term is two years...or what happens if short term is 6 months? Thank You Usair for being so employee friendly!!!!!!The enemy is who? :blink:
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So when is it you feel that all these jobs will be lost? Tomorrow? Next week? How many mtc tracks were just shut down as a result of this ruling? How many mtc stations were closed?pitguy said:
STOP WITH THE FUD.
No one knows what could/would happen with the arbitrator or what deals could be negotiated with the IAM and the company. Don't make yourself sick over something you don't have all the answers to yet.
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Ummm,
It's been ONE DAY!
Let's hope, that when these questions are asked agian in April, that the answers are the same.
On the other hand, the employees, ( you know, the ones that were told that there were no plans to send Airbus work out, until they started landing in Alabama. And told that voluntary furlows would be offered before every involuntary furlow, until the company decided it was TOO HARD) have come to believe that any crack in the roof, will let the rain in.
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Our track record is not good with arbitrators. That is why Company's legal counsel insisted on the judges to rule in favor of the company by denying this was a major dispute. They insisted on sending this issue to arbitration. Can't you guess why?
Doom and gloom you say, I spread.
Gee, I don't believe that my stance has been on the offense at any time. NO siree, I have taken a position to defend. I am not the employee who makes an address every single Friday to all of labor with the news of U not being able to compete, not being able to stabilize, not be able to anticipate weather problems and be proative, not being able to take the $2 billion in cost reductions and turn the company into a lean profitable airline, not able to use the BK that most airlines didn't need to rid themselves of more debt, I did not put the screws to AACA regarding PIT Hub by leading them to believe if you scratch my back I WON"T scratch yours. I did not terminate the pilots pension plan nor did I appeal to courts to rob the mechanics of their 49 year language that states the job is inhouse. I did notfurlough 20,000 employees of USAirways, take two major concessions and ask for the #3. And I certainly did not hire labor unfriendly union busters on this property who have grossly affected my union, and IAM.
Doom and gloom you say I'm spreading? Where's the positive light here? You've read Bronners interviews with the media, he's having a blast with all this. He even states if he loses this investment for RSA it will be insignificant to the fund.
What do you think is going on here? Or what will you allow your mind to think?
Come into the light my friend...
Doom and gloom you say, I spread.
Gee, I don't believe that my stance has been on the offense at any time. NO siree, I have taken a position to defend. I am not the employee who makes an address every single Friday to all of labor with the news of U not being able to compete, not being able to stabilize, not be able to anticipate weather problems and be proative, not being able to take the $2 billion in cost reductions and turn the company into a lean profitable airline, not able to use the BK that most airlines didn't need to rid themselves of more debt, I did not put the screws to AACA regarding PIT Hub by leading them to believe if you scratch my back I WON"T scratch yours. I did not terminate the pilots pension plan nor did I appeal to courts to rob the mechanics of their 49 year language that states the job is inhouse. I did notfurlough 20,000 employees of USAirways, take two major concessions and ask for the #3. And I certainly did not hire labor unfriendly union busters on this property who have grossly affected my union, and IAM.
Doom and gloom you say I'm spreading? Where's the positive light here? You've read Bronners interviews with the media, he's having a blast with all this. He even states if he loses this investment for RSA it will be insignificant to the fund.
What do you think is going on here? Or what will you allow your mind to think?
Come into the light my friend...
MMW,MarkMyWords said:
I'd guess no layoffs will be announced tomorrow; the Palace isn't that organized.
And certainly not in the next month or so. Still not that organized.
But, it's coming.
I'd guess between now and any arbitration, the company will make an offer the IAM can't refuse.
And under the best interpretation, as the Boeings go, so do heavy mx jobs. Why would the company agree to keep any jobs on the property? They have shed employees at every opportunity, and I see no change in that coming.
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repeet,
I agree that is has only been one day. So how is it that people like Pitguy are already project absolute destruction of the MTC department? Are there plans to pahse out the Boeing airplanes yet? Has anyonoe talked to an arbitrator yet? Has an appeal been filed yet?
Do we still have a min 279 A/C clause in each contract? Yes. So even if we plan to pahse out the boeings, it isn't going to happen tomorrow. We still need the same number of MTC tracks in April-May as we do now. This AB work was NEW work, not exsisting work that was being farmed out.
Let me again state that I totally support the IAM in their fight to ensure that the work is done in house. All I am saying is that the end of the world in the MTC department won't happen tomorrow as some will lead you to believe.
And AP Tech -
Would you rather have 2 years to plan your future versus being tossed into the unemployement line tomorrow? There is still a lot of negotiating, appeals and bickering to come.
I agree that is has only been one day. So how is it that people like Pitguy are already project absolute destruction of the MTC department? Are there plans to pahse out the Boeing airplanes yet? Has anyonoe talked to an arbitrator yet? Has an appeal been filed yet?
Do we still have a min 279 A/C clause in each contract? Yes. So even if we plan to pahse out the boeings, it isn't going to happen tomorrow. We still need the same number of MTC tracks in April-May as we do now. This AB work was NEW work, not exsisting work that was being farmed out.
Let me again state that I totally support the IAM in their fight to ensure that the work is done in house. All I am saying is that the end of the world in the MTC department won't happen tomorrow as some will lead you to believe.
And AP Tech -
Would you rather have 2 years to plan your future versus being tossed into the unemployement line tomorrow? There is still a lot of negotiating, appeals and bickering to come.
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Yes it is close to the end of careers, face the facts all of the careers at usairways are coming to a end.
There are two good thing out of this... you all have had plenty of doom and gloom time to prepare for the end and your new start in a new career (please tell me you have prepared) and then a great weight will be lifted off your shoulders with which you can say good riddance.
God bless
There are two good thing out of this... you all have had plenty of doom and gloom time to prepare for the end and your new start in a new career (please tell me you have prepared) and then a great weight will be lifted off your shoulders with which you can say good riddance.
God bless
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I have to agree with MMW's assessment. There will be no "short term" job losses due to these first 10 Airbus aircraft.
By far what everyone needs to worry about are the job losses that are coming because YOUR UNION in order to survive will OPEN THE CONSESSION STAND WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT! Or if they want your consent they'll just keep re-voting until they get it...
Case in point look at ALG (MEC) vs ALPA (National).
The folks at our wholly "boned" carriers like ALG are getting the “super-sized†shaft from their UNION...
My only difference in opinion from MMW is the definition of "short-term"
Short-term isn't 2 years folks. It's 5 months.
If Dave and his group can't stop the bleeding by June 30th. Bronner said he'll pull the plug.
I hate to sound like our favorite A320 captain but, that the one thing he continues to post that I believe 100%….
That's all the FUD I need to worry about. All these other problems pale compared to that....
By far what everyone needs to worry about are the job losses that are coming because YOUR UNION in order to survive will OPEN THE CONSESSION STAND WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT! Or if they want your consent they'll just keep re-voting until they get it...
Case in point look at ALG (MEC) vs ALPA (National).
The folks at our wholly "boned" carriers like ALG are getting the “super-sized†shaft from their UNION...
My only difference in opinion from MMW is the definition of "short-term"
Short-term isn't 2 years folks. It's 5 months.
If Dave and his group can't stop the bleeding by June 30th. Bronner said he'll pull the plug.
I hate to sound like our favorite A320 captain but, that the one thing he continues to post that I believe 100%….
That's all the FUD I need to worry about. All these other problems pale compared to that....
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PitBull -
By doom and gloom I meant that you feel I have lost touch with reality and the walls of the mtc department will come crashign down tomorrow. That is not the case. I think I have a very good gripe on reality and know that there is not going to be a massivve layoff as a result of this ruling....now or in the short term.
Now, not being as stupid as some think, I do realize that there is the potential for a huge reduction in mtc employee numbers when the boeings are retired, IF this is not resolved with the arbitrator or through appeals to the mutual benefit of the company and the IAM. When would those furloughs start? May? June? 2004? 2005? No one here knows. The company doesn't know. The IAM doesn't know.
Again, do I agree with the violation of the contract? NO. Do I want to see any of the heavy MTC farmed out? No.
By doom and gloom I meant that you feel I have lost touch with reality and the walls of the mtc department will come crashign down tomorrow. That is not the case. I think I have a very good gripe on reality and know that there is not going to be a massivve layoff as a result of this ruling....now or in the short term.
Now, not being as stupid as some think, I do realize that there is the potential for a huge reduction in mtc employee numbers when the boeings are retired, IF this is not resolved with the arbitrator or through appeals to the mutual benefit of the company and the IAM. When would those furloughs start? May? June? 2004? 2005? No one here knows. The company doesn't know. The IAM doesn't know.
Again, do I agree with the violation of the contract? NO. Do I want to see any of the heavy MTC farmed out? No.
The IAM should not try to obliterate the employment of others for the sake of the outsourcing issue. The time is now to augment US Airways’ franchise. I am entrusting my faith with Dave to pilot the company to prosperous times.
Pitbull, the majority within the AFA group understands what is needed to survive. They should send a strong message to their labor leaders that they want to work with the company. Remember, the general membership dictates the actions of its leaders and not the other way around.
It is vital that each labor group becomes more efficient. Working together as a cohesive team is the most logical choice. I believe that this airline has the potential to become the best in the industry. We have a group of dedicated and hard working employees that continue to raise the bar of excellence.
Pitbull, the majority within the AFA group understands what is needed to survive. They should send a strong message to their labor leaders that they want to work with the company. Remember, the general membership dictates the actions of its leaders and not the other way around.
It is vital that each labor group becomes more efficient. Working together as a cohesive team is the most logical choice. I believe that this airline has the potential to become the best in the industry. We have a group of dedicated and hard working employees that continue to raise the bar of excellence.
