EAST saves West's BUTT today!

[allunionsdeceive]

If HP had a flight scheduled
flt. 123 phx lax 1600-1730
and it cancelled.......and the white knights operated
flt. 9876 phl lax 1600-1730
then the HP crews should be paid regardless of status, ie rsv/LH. If the cancelled flights were in their pairing....PAY THEM.

No matter how you look at it, it is chump change for the company. The revenue was protected, so pay up!
Thank you, was not aware of that.

hear that the crew did get payed.

 

[sand2snow]

There was no violation of the beyond perimeter rule. It applies to scheduled service. Ferries, extra sections, overflies do not count and there is no penalty or violation.

I know those flights don't fall under the slots for take-off and landings, but I wasn't aware it also covered the 1250 mile rule. You don't have a link do you (just trying to learn)?

 

[rjh]

No matter how you look at it, it is chump change for the company. The revenue was protected, so pay up!

The FA's WERE pay protected. Based on the wording of the grievance, that is not hte union's complaint (pay is not even mentioned in the filing). They complained that another airline was operating these flights. They don't seem to grasp that the flights would have likely been cancelled anyway, the company just did what was needed to protect the passeengers.

 

[luvn737s]

There was no violation of the beyond perimeter rule. It applies to scheduled service. Ferries, extra sections, overflies do not count and there is no penalty or violation.

Extra sections don't apply? How can it be an extra section when you don't have permission to fly the first section (PHX-DCA)? Perhaps they could operate it as a charter, but even then there would be specific TSA-compliant rules to adhere to.

 

[UWCactus]

Much like when America West applied for route authority to fly to Shannon and Dublin via the codeshare. They have to seek approval to code share those flights. I would assume, the same process may have applied to the DCA-PHX market. I'm not certain about this, but just a thought.

Actually, I'd imagine the biggest violation was the violation of Federal law which happened when US operated a revenue flight between DCA and PHX without possessing a beyond-perimeter exemption.

First off, where in the heck is the proof that a DCA-PHX was operated anyhow? Do we really have some reliable sources here?

Put this to rest....THEY WERE PAID!!! TRUST ME! I know for a fact that they were paid for the cancelled flight as lineholders. This is not the issue, in fact there is no issue.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Has anyone been held responsible for the MTC failures that led to this situation?

 

[Dea Certe]

OK, can someone explain to me why a grievance was filed? The flight attendants got paid. Both the AWA and the US. Our customers were protected and got to their destinations. Would it have been any difference if the customers were protected on another carrier?

Can someone explain what was the reasoning?

Thanks.

Dea

 

[stoopidute442]

That's actually quite amusing. Shows hoe out of touch you are with the customer experience.

I'm glad the truth amuses you!

The only DOT that most holiday travelers are familiar with is their Aunt Dot! GET It!!!!

Your jobs exist not at Robert Roach's pleasure, your job exists at the customers pleasure.

Like I said before, YOU come out to the gate or better stil bring Roach Clip or Buffy with you and the three of you explain exactly how adhering to the letter of any CBA will:

Make their fare cheaper?

Lessen the fare restrictions?

Yes, yes, yes....maybe all airline workers can go below the poverty line so we can make your fares cheaper and less restricted....would you stop whineing then? Maybe we could get some volunteers to drop rose petals on the jetway floor as you walk down to the aircraft for your $29 flight. Maybe we could remove half the seats on all our aircraft so we could install a spa and sauna for you. Anything else you want the employees to give up more pay for???? Just ask!

 

[barbeetantrums]

Don't you have another office to break into?

Go break your contract with your mortgate company or auto loan and see what happens.

That gives me an idea. I'll stop paying my student loans. It was a contract that I don't like, anyways.

 

[N628AU]

You fail to realize under the CBAs and the FAA HP and US are still two seperate airlines.

A contract violation occured and the company must rectify it and adhered to the CBAs they agreed too.

Bottom line, plain and simple.

You cant take a US/East plane and crew to fly a US/West flight.

I believe you should have written, "I believe a contract violation occured".

 

[SilentWarrior]

I believe you should have written, "I believe a contract violation occured".

Or dare I add: I have no idea because I am not an US/West employee, a FA, or even an AFA member.

Does anyone from the West-side of this operation have any factual information to put out? Preferably a Flight Attendant who is “in the knowâ€￾ with their union. Thanks in advance.

 

[hulagirl]

700 and Barbie are correct. This was a scope violation. You all better pay attention to the details of your contracts, because the chances are it will happen to you. This is why we have a union and a contract. The company needs to get its %#&^ together and fast. Christmas happens every year, and they still screw it up. I am very happy that our council 66 filed this grievance. They did the right thing.

 

[MarkMyWords]

What is the violation? Post the section of the contract that was violated.

 

[phl/yyz]

Don't knock the F/A's...I don't blame them for wanting to paid for their missed flights because we have so many planes OOS. (I think we're down to 6 or 7 now???)
Sheesh...I just thought it was neat that we were able to get all these people to their destinations today rather than screwing up their Christmases and getting them home LATE Christmas Eve or in a LOT of cases, Christmas NIGHT.
We'll be seeing this more and more...it's time we all get used to it. (And to the East gentleman that assisted my poor gate agent on baording that particular 4pm flight to PHL that was supposed to be filght 256...THANK YOU for your help too!!!)

at least you get the BIG picture...we have to work together...pay the crew for flight pay that is fair...hell they got a free day off the way I see it

 

[soc-hpjester]

Any views from ALPA on this ? Since hp/us are still on seperate ops certs. anything HP cancels and US happens to fly at the same time and same city pairs has nothing to do with the other. They may be HP pax but the flight numbers are different. HP and Mesa do this frequently with no scope issues.