DL expands SEA further with SEA-SFO flights

[Glenn Quagmire]

Do you honestly think the world looks so much like you that there can be no other valid opinion other than your own?

You may want to say that while looking in the mirror.

then you and anyone else are welcome to challenge the data and facts that I use.

Many here have done just that. And you always seem to try and wiggle your way out of being incorrect. I will say that you have on very rare occasion admitted to being wrong. That only came when you forgot to include your usual qualifier.

How about you finally refute the claims in the flyer? You still have not done that.

Feel free to do it over on the other thread:

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56594-iam-stepping-up-campaign/page-69#entry1068039

 

[WorldTraveler]

Are you incapable of understanding that I am not REFUTING what was said.  I am saying that it is INCOMPLETE and inaccurate data.
 
To use average fare as your barometer of success makes sense only if you want stagnated, top of scale employee groups - and that is what AA and UA have.
 
DL is growing, so is US, so is AS.  that is why they are not at the top of the list
 
if you think that a goal for an airline is to have stagnant employees who top AVERAGES but have no movement, then go for it.
 
That is precisely the groups that pursuit unions.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
I know that is a difficult concept for you to grasp but step away from the keyboard and savor it.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.

 

[Kev3188]

That is rich coming from you.

You are notorious for taking bits and pieces of content from sources and twisting them to fit your daily narrative. Of course even in doing that you almost always leave some back door qualifier in your post. This, so you can claim you never really meant what you posted when it turns out to be false. This especially when it is being interpreted as untrue from all but you and spectator, Sybil, and whoever else you have sitting next to you while alone at your computer.

Truth.
 
 

Or is it that you (all of you) are really afraid of facing the whole truth so you resort to character assassination in order to try to win the debate?

What's it called when you're reduced to calling people like 700 & I "rejects," and "labor losers?"


 
 

You may want to say that while looking in the mirror.

+1


 

How about you finally refute the claims in the flyer? You still have not done that.

Why bother? He knows he can't, so instead we get distracted with as much white noise as he can muster.


 
 

But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.
 
But companies don't remain stagnant.  You either grow or you shrink.
 
And when companies shrink, employees lose.

Hey WT, I think your PC is on the fritz again. It's repeating things over & over...

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

 
Or is it that you (all of you) are really afraid of facing the whole truth so you resort to character assassination in order to try to win the debate?

 
You invite so much of it on yourself because you play so fast and loose with your arguments, it destroys your credibility. Have you ever paused to consider that perhaps if you held your held yourself to a higher standard and ditched your contemptuous tone, you might be less prone to attacks on your character?

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I see details that go sailing way over the top of most of your heads...
 
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
 
Nothing could possibly go wrong, go wrong, go wrong,go wrong,go wrong,go wrong,go wrong,go wrong,go wrong,go wrong,go wrong
 
I'm not excusing what I have called you, Kevin.  And I have apologized.
 
But we are locked in a cycle of doing the same thing over and over and over and over again. and nothing changes.
 
I've offered attempts to restore a more friendly balance to the board but you have repeatedly dissed my initiatives - and called them manipulation.
 
There comes a point when even the friendliest dog will bite the hand that feeds it if it keeps getting kicked in the teeth enough times.

 

[Kev3188]

All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.
All systems are working fine, Kevin.

It's still doing it. Might want to either power it all the way down, and restart it, or go into your Settings and see if it's something in there...

 

[700UW]

Its not incomplete and not inaccurate, it

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[Kev3188]

Don't bother. He knows. He's just trying to distract from it- on a separate thread, mind you- in the hopes that if he throws out enough white noise, it'll be an effective diversion.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I just want to make sure that DL employees know that the IAM is excluding a key part of their compensation package in hopes that the "insignificant  not guaranteed part" won't really matter in the decision making process.
 
no, I just want to make sure that DL employees know that the IAM is excluding a key part of their compensation package in hopes that the "insignificant  not guaranteed part" won't really matter in the decision making process.
 
no, I just want to make sure that DL employees know that the IAM is excluding a key part of their compensation package in hopes that the "insignificant  not guaranteed part" won't really matter in the decision making process.

 

[Kev3188]

That's mighty assumptive of you... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

and if the IAM is not afraid of a true apples to applies comparison, then they will put it all on the table and let the employees see the WHOLE PACKAGE and decide for themselves what they value and not value.
 
Having a union make decisions about compensation issues and then turn out as badly as the IAM calculated regarding profit sharing for tens of thousands of its employees is exactly the kind of interference DL employees DON'T want.
 
Whatever good the IAM might have done has been more than offset by losing out on tens of millions of dollars in profit sharing for its employees. 

 

[Kev3188]

and if the IAM is not afraid of a true apples to applies comparison, then they will put it all on the table and let the employees see the WHOLE PACKAGE and decide for themselves what they value and not value.

They do. You not seeing it from the sidelines doesn't mean it's not happening.
 

Having a union make decisions...

And by "a union" you mean DL employees themselves, correct?

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, unions, by definition are employees. but there is no union now so the IAM national is filtering the data and making decisions about what to include and how to show data based on what makes them look good.
 
Why can't they say "all of these airlines have profit sharing which on average paid a month or more of an employee's salary... these airlines were represented by the IAM and these were not."
 
A month's salary is ENORMOUS to an average employee.  For the IAM to repeatedly refuse to include or address simply highlights how badly they understand the business trends that were coming in the industry and traded away their birth right for a proverbial bowl of soup. 

 

[Kev3188]

yes, unions, by definition are employees.

So when can we expect you to craft your posts accordingly?

 

but there is no union now so the IAM national is filtering the data and making decisions about what to include and how to show data based on what makes them look good.

No, they're not. We've been over this before. Content decisions are being made by actual DL employees. The IAM itself is providing logistic support (printing/mailings/etc.). There is a big difference.

If you wish to included in the discussion, and/or seen as someone with even a sliver of relevance, you will keep that in mind going forward.


 

Why can't they say "all of these airlines have profit sharing which on average paid a month or more of an employee's salary... these airlines were represented by the IAM and these were not."

Next time you're on one of your infamous galley visits, seek out an F/A, and ask them. Better yet, why don't you just email one of the campaign leaders? They're not hard to find.
 

For the IAM to repeatedly refuse to include or address

You sure there hasn't been any discussion of profit sharing? Really sure?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Current DL employees are not crafting these messages.  IAM national is. 
 
Send me the link and data that IAM has used for profit sharing. 
 
I WANT you to debate what you don't agree with.  Let's keep it focused on the issues and not personal but engaging at the same time.
 
I am PRO-DISCUSSION, PRO FULL DISCLOSURE, PRO INFORMED CONSENT>