DL expands SEA further with SEA-SFO flights

[Kev3188]

No clue on how they actually did, but I believe they were all one-offs. I think there was a SYR-SLC as well?

 

[737823]

DL has previously said that because the weekend after THX falls in December, it would push revenue into December, possibly weakening Nov somewhat.DL has said that Dec looked solidly profitable at the investor's conference several weeks ago.It is easy in that environment to add extra capacity at a time of the year when leisure travel is premium-priced.It's not a question of being smarter, Kev. It's about having the information and being able to understand what it says.There is more than enough publicly available information to be able to get a pretty good idea about how various parts of an airline operate.

Very true-and this year was also unique in that Easter was in Q1.

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

I have no idea why SYR but there was MIA, FLL, and other east coast markets.

DL basically created a hub complex at 11 pm at night using aircraft that arrived first at the outstations around 7 pm. Those planes crossed at SLC which is close enough to the west coast to get a full day's use out of a plane but far enough from the east coast to allow an overnight flight back after a regular day on Sunday.

 

[Kev3188]

 

It's not a question of being smarter, Kev. It's about having the information and being able to understand what it says.

Right.

Again, remember E's words. I can assure you that there are people here that know what's going on, and how all the moving parts come together. This ain't A.net, you know...

At any rate, here are some applicable words for you to use if needed:

Understand
"Grasp"
Comprehend
Appreciate
Get

 

[737823]

No clue on how they actually did, but I believe they were all one-offs. I think there was a SYR-SLC as well?

No clue but probably the California-Cornell express...

Wish DL would bring back SLC-FLL/MIA. They once operated SLC-FLL/MCO/MIA/TPA, now only MCO.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Hadn't thought of that; I suspect you're right.

Thinking about college student migration makes my shoulders hurt...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kev,
no one doubts that you or E or anyone else gets it about subjects that you know.

I asked you some time ago to give us some sense of strategy outline in which AS actually "wins" this competitive contest with DL and I believe the most I read from you was that AS would get DL for its hubris. Did I miss or misunderstand something, Kev?

I laid out very clearly as to why DL has the financial strength and network breadth to accomplish what it needs to do in SEA, with or without AS.

You now come back saying that I am essentially talking down to you because you get all of that - but you couldn't express any logical means that DL would not achieve what it wants or that AS would win.

Is it really that difficult for you to admit that someone really does know more about something than you, Kev?

I have consistently given you credit for what you know and for the value you add to the fórum as the logical and articulate voice the labor movement has, at least within the airline industry. IS jt not good enough for you, Kev, to be really good at one thing in the industry and work to make that one thing work? Is it really that difficult for you or anyone else to recognize that other people have expertise in other áreas?

Please, Kev, understand that you are appreciated for what you do bring to the table.... but you don't "provide the whole meal."

 

[700UW]

For the year 2012 AS carried 11,831,682 passengers and DL carried 3,849,741 passengers out of SEA and Horizon even carried more passengers than DL with a total of 4,690,353 on Horizon.
 
AS is ranked 1, Horizon 2 and Delta 3, for market share of passengers.
 
http://www.portseatt...es/default.aspx

 

[eolesen]

Implying, of course, that WT provides the whole meal.

I've seen pictures of him, and it doesn't look like he's missed too many meals, either.

Wish DL would bring back SLC-FLL/MIA. They once operated SLC-FLL/MCO/MIA/TPA, now only MCO.

Didn't we just hear a few days ago that DL is the largest used-to-be-a-legacy network airline serving Florida outside of its largest population center?....

You'd think they could support service from their most important mountain state hub to all of the largest cities in Florida. Guess not.

 

[WorldTraveler]

No, E, you can't grasp the concept that NO ONE brings the whole meal. Not me, not you, and not Kev.

Do you think you could contribute something to the topic at hand instead of poking others with a stick in the eye?

700, I'm not sure what your point is but Horizon is a subsidiary of AS and provides services to AS, just as US Express does to US etc.... their revenue and boarding statistics are for the benefit of their larger partner.

BTW, DL did just report its Nov traffic (DL is usually the first carrier to do so each month) and said that RASM was down 3% for Nov but Dec is expected to be up 7-9% because of the shift in THX.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-reports-financial-operating-performance-140000795.html

 

[737823]

Didn't we just hear a few days ago that DL is the largest used-to-be-a-legacy network airline serving Florida outside of its largest population center?....

You'd think they could support service from their most important mountain state hub to all of the largest cities in Florida. Guess not.

ex-MIA DL is the largest legacy carrier in Florida...they have a considerable presence at FLL, JAX, MCO, PBI, RSW, SRQ, TLH, etc. The data from RITA/DOT also support DL is the #2 carrier at MIA for US domestic flights

Besides it isn't about size. Florida is mostly trash yields ex-MIA. Just happens to be a region DL has a long history of serving and they understand the market well.

http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1

I imagine the cutback in SLC flying has more to do with the merger and more of those connections can be made through ATL/DTW/MSP and FL-SLC flying is a relatively long stage length so it save fuel. Unfortunate for those of us who travel to/from SLC.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Actually I have shown that WN is the largest:
 
Are you sure about that?
 
According to MCO's own traffic data WN has carried more passengers in Sept than DL.
 
WN 397,388 passengers for 9/13
 
DL 363,039 passengers for 9/13.
 
And from January till now, WN has carried more passengers than DL.
 
WN: 6,635,833 passengers.
 
DL: 5,257,481 passengers.
 
So dont let the facts get in your way.
 
http://www.orlandoai...net/statistics/
 
Lets see this now, TPA traffic results year to date:
 
WN: 3,849,209 passengers for a 27.35% market share YTD.
 
DL: 2,384,951 passengers for a market share of 16.95% market share YTD.
 
Looks like WN is #1 in market share and passengers in TPA too!
 
http://www.tampaairp...om/about/facts/
 
FLL statistics:
 
JetBlue: 4,405,708 Passengers, Market Share 18.7%
 
Spirit Passengers 4,268,516 Market Share 18.1%
 
Southwest Passengers: 3,171,173 Market Share 13.4%
 
Delta Passengers 2,954,884 Market Share 12.5%
 
This is YTD #s.
 
http://www.broward.o...Statistics.aspx
 
And they are also the largest at RSW.

 

[737823]

Guess you can't read that I said "legacy carriers". Do you know what that means?

Josh

 

[metopower]

Blah blah blah ..I'm bigger..I'm bigger. Who cares. All I care is who is most profitable and how secure my pay check is. The more the company makes the more I make which is what matters. Unprofitable and poorly run airlines do not pay well for long or stay in business .So grow AA/US. Grow UAL Grow Wn. It is all about security .

 

[eolesen]

Great company boy, guess you can't read that I said "legacy carriers". Do you know what that means?

What it means is you've learned to qualify your comments the same way WT does. Not exactly a redeeming quality, I might add.

It's interesting to see how WN is important when it fits the narrative, and it's not when it fits the narrative.

You guys might want to consider trying consistency for a change.