DL expands SEA further with SEA-SFO flights

[WorldTraveler]

The SEA airport authority, DL station manager, and the DL employees based in SEA who could care less about anything other than the topic at hand, Kev.

personal attacks on other users and the toxic environment that has been created aren't welcome here.

 

[Kev3188]

Oh, do you speak for all of those people? Can you share how that came to pass? Do they have accounts on here?

As for personal attacks, um no.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I don't have to speak for everyone.... only those who can figure out how to play by the rules.

Are you one of those, Kev, or are you not.

You seem to love to point out all the deviations from the topic that others make but can't seem to focus on the topic at hand.


Something about DL or AS in SEA, PDX, or LAX?

The salmon thirty salmon, anything, Kev. You can do it. You're smart enough.

 

[Force Majeure]

The SEA airport authority, DL station manager, and the DL employees based in SEA who could care less about anything other than the topic at hand.

I am very confused now. Gleaning the information from your recent postings.

You are the following:

* delta marketing
* US Aviation Forums Moderator

And you now represent the following people:

* SEA Airport
* DL Station Manager
* DL employees based in SEA

And you obviously have issues with almost every person who does not agree with what you post, as evidenced by those who have decided to not engage you any longer.

Oh, and you are wrong about SEA. Delta tried and failed at SEA many years ago.

 

[WorldTraveler]

how about the part that is relevant to the topic....

What did DL fail at in SEA in a previous life?

 

[Force Majeure]

I should have stated the PAC northwest. They could not compete at SEA due to other carriers and aircraft limitations.

I think it was Northwest that was successful at SEA with a mini hub operation there.

IIRC, DL tried to cull together a lame transpacific operation at PDX with the L-1011 back in the 80's and early '90's.

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, you are correct. DL had a mini-transpac hub at PDX with L10s and M11s that was dismantled.
DL's hub at PDX actually involved more passenger flights operating at one time that NW's hub at SEA.

DL's operation at PDX and NW's operation at SEA was about the same size.

DL also had a couple flights from LAX to Asia that were discontinued.

AA tried their hand at SJC, all of which was also dismantled.

Thus, the significance of what is happening between AA and DL and on the west coast to Asia goes back quite a few years.

At the time of the DL-NW merger, I believe the SEA-NRT flight was the only NW flight operating from SEA. I'll stand corrected if someone remembers differently.

It is precisely because DL recognized that they needed feed to make the hub work that they entered into the enhanced arrangement with AS in a partnership that started with NW.

and thus, we are now back to the present with the situation between DL and AS.

 

[Force Majeure]

I do remember the aa SJC attempt. The Silicon Valley bubble burst ended that one. SFO is hard to beat on any tpac ops.

 

[Kev3188]

I don't have to speak for everyone.... only those who can figure out how to play by the rules.

...And yet you just claimed to.

Very strange.
 

You seem to love to point out all the deviations from the topic that others make but can't seem to focus on the topic at hand.

I'm just a fan of pointing out both hypocrisy & irony. Your posts of late tend to have both in droves.

 

Something about DL or AS in SEA, PDX, or LAX?

AS: A well run company that has craved out enough space in the US Aviation landscape to control their own destiny.

DL: Possible victim of their own hubris.

PDX: The best city on Earth. Indisputable truth.

SEA: Metroplex of the damned.

LAX: Awesome town, horrible air quality.
 

The salmon thirty salmon, anything, Kev. You can do it. You're smart enough.

Next time you think about why people vote your sh*t down (and you will), remember all the times you post condescending things like this. It's almost as if you can't help yourself.E's right; you default to the "I'm smarter than you card" way too early/way too often. The board is worse for it.


 
 

I should have stated the PAC northwest. They could not compete at SEA due to other carriers and aircraft limitations.

I think it was Northwest that was successful at SEA with a mini hub operation there.

IIRC, DL tried to cull together a lame transpacific operation at PDX with the L-1011 back in the 80's and early '90's.

Long on fun plane spotting, short on sustainability.

Luckily, there was a plucky little MSP-based airline that they could merge with in order to finally have any meaningful access to the T-PAC arena.

 

[Kev3188]

I am very confused now. Gleaning the information from your recent postings.

You are the following:

* delta marketing
* US Aviation Forums Moderator

And you now represent the following people:

* SEA Airport
* DL Station Manager
* DL employees based in SEA

It's a dynamic list and changes as the narrative requires...
 
 

And you obviously have issues with almost every person who does not agree with what you post, as evidenced by those who have decided to not engage you any longer.

...And that's a long list.

Shame, really.

 

[eolesen]

if you have nothing to discuss about the topic, then why are you participating?

Because my wife said I needed a hobby, and poking you with a stick seemed like it could be fun at the time. Still is.

Don't throw around psycho-babble while engaging in the most deviant behavior on perhaps any aviation chat forum.

Hmmm. Deviant? That's slander.

Deviant would be doing something against societal norms.

Calling you out on your ongoing duplicity isn't against societal norms.

Last time I checked, I'm not posting porn here, or selling meth.

What exactly is deviant? You're an expert on lots of things, so perhaps you can explain it to the rest of us who aren't as blessed or educated as you seem to be.

Participate or be kicked off the forum.

I know you think you run the place, but the day you become a moderator, this place becomes a ghost town and the owner stops getting ad revenue.

 

[robbedagain]

just to be off topic for this    did dl ever have a mini hub at ANC    i thought NW had a mini hub at sea but i also rmbr when dl had pdx as well   but  can anc work just as well as sea  

 

[700UW]

 

[eolesen]

did dl ever have a mini hub at ANC    i thought NW had a mini hub at sea but i also rmbr when dl had pdx as well   but  can anc work just as well as sea

Uh, no. No hubs for DL in Alaska.... UA had a short-lived DC10-30 freighter mini-hub at ANC a few years back, and it has also been used by FedEx and a few others for freight hub (some transfer, but mostly for crew changes...), but no mainland airline of any significance has ever had a hub anywhere in Alaska, except for AS and BF (Markair, long defunct but had the distinction of being the only US airline to successfully operate the civilian version of the C-130 in regular revenue freighter service).

And no, ANC won't ever work as well as a hub in the lower 48 for TransPac. Funneling connections would be the only market, and that's just not a sound policy for hub construction. It's also just a tad bit too far north to be of any good for domestic connections... there are few places you'd want to fly to from ANC or FAI which don't already have nonstop service from major Asian cities. Internationally, it would be good for serving Siberia, but that's about it.

AS has carved itself a nice little niche in the PNW, and time will tell just how good DL is at winning over their customers. They've got a fiercely loyal base, and I doubt that DL's service levels on a good day will never match what I've experienced on both AS and QX over the past 25 years.

 

[WorldTraveler]

E,
So you travel around the world and when you get home your wife tells you to get out of her face and you think that “poking sticks” in the eyes of other people over the internet is a hobby? You just did as good of a job of describing deviant human behaviour as anyone could – and you did it by and about yourself. Try bike riding or a contact sport if you need a little more violence, go to the gym, feed the homeless, interact with humans face to face.

You have yet to respond to Josh's very logical question about why you are so fixated on reputation scores for others including leading a campaign to vote someone else's down which has clearly resulted in a lot of positive votes for you. You are indeed the one living in duplicity and hypocrisy. But your professional name is next to your posts.... You do know there are plenty of people in China that can read English.

And to think you are letting your Republican and gun-control messages go down the tubes. If the 'pubs lose a single seat in the next round of elections, it will all be pinned on you.


Caught in their hubris, Kev? Is that your game plan? Is that really the strategy you would like to propose? What hubris would you like to share with AS so they catch DL in it? You’ve gotta have a little trash on DL that you can sell for 30 pieces of silver.


Do you not think not only AS mgmt but also members of the investment community don’t know what is going on between AS and DL? DO you not think that they are fully aware that AS has started service in several of DL’s key markets including ATL? You did read the conference call transcript didn’t you, Kev?

Problem for AS is that SEA IS AS’ largest hub and bread and butter. DL can add dozens of flights at SEA and it barely register as a blip on DL’s revenue. That is probably why 25% or more of the questions on AS’ analyst conference call were taken up with questions about the AS-DL relationship while I’m not sure there were any on DL’s.
Of course the PNW is home to some of the largest US based multinational corporations and the largest are indeed based in SEA, not PDX, Kev. As one of the smaller cities on the west coast, PDX might be a nice play to live but when people want to do business, they have to leave town. SEA is the economic powerhouse of the PNW. That is why AS’ largest hub – one of the largest hubs on the west coast is in SEA. It is also why DL has had such success in building its SEA operation.

The notion that people in the PNW are so loyal to AS that they won’t switch is unsupportable by any kind of empirical data. DL’s little experiment with LAX-SEA proved that SEA residents have stuck with AS because no one else has been serving the market to any degree for more than a decade. UA, the largest and most global carrier that SEA has had, has been in decline and cutting its presence in SEA. UA’s pulldown of its NRT service further makes it clear that SEA, just like so many other largest coastal cities, are ripe pickings for one of the true nationwide legacy airlines to move into since the market has been divided among AA, DL, and UA for years.
BTN’s survey of corporate travel purchasers shows that DL is the highest rated of the current big 5 US airlines. DL has clearly had no problem attracting the highest quality revenue to DL’s network even in markets where it has competed against AS. The results of DL’s preliminary buildup of LAX and SEA shows that DL very effectively compete on the west coast in the most competitive markets which is undoubtedly why they have moved forward with the next set of markets.


AS' superior service? Not according to the DOT that shows that DL has a better on-time ratio, better baggage handling, and better oversale management. Maybe that is why DL is being as successful as they are in SEA.


The fact that the new 333s can easily reach deep into Asia with a CASM that is competitive with anything else that will fly the Pacific is precisely why DL is building its presence in SEA now.
I’m still waiting for a viable response as to how AS is going to come out smelling like PDX roses in this little competitive skirmish that is playing out in AS’ key markets.