DL expands SEA further with SEA-SFO flights

[WorldTraveler]

Blah blah blah ..I'm bigger..I'm bigger. Who cares. All I care is who is most profitable and how secure my pay check is. The more the company makes the more I make which is what matters. Unprofitable and poorly run airlines do not pay well for long or stay in business .So grow AA/US. Grow UAL Grow Wn. It is all about security .

+ 777 on the first part.

On the second part, the last few years have shown that industry consolidation and overall capacity management is what has produced profits. If the industry consolidates and then grows, the profits will likely not remain where they are today nor will they be equitably spread throughout the industry.

 

[737823]

What it means is you've learned to qualify your comments the same way WT does. Not exactly a redeeming quality, I might add.

It's interesting to see how WN is important when it fits the narrative, and it's not when it fits the narrative.

You guys might want to consider trying consistency for a change.

Who is "you guys"? I was saying DL has a long history of serving markets throughout Florida and has a solid presence at MIA, certainly compared to UA or US, the former of which is mostly an Express station and before the CO merger had no mainline UAL service despite UA once having a hub at MIA for Latin America flying. Obviously WN is large in the markets 700 posted links for as is B6. I'm not cherry picking WN or other carriers to fit a certain narrative since I have no narrative to tell. If you look at the number of smaller FL markets DL maintains mainline service and SkyClubs in compared to AA/UA/US, DL clearly has the market well covered. They are especially large at JAX, I know they periodically send 763s and mostly 757s from ATL and also have have a Skyclub there too.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Kev,
no one doubts that you or E or anyone else gets it about subjects that you know.

I asked you some time ago to give us some sense of strategy outline in which AS actually "wins" this competitive contest with DL and I believe the most I read from you was that AS would get DL for its hubris. Did I miss or misunderstand something, Kev?

I laid out very clearly as to why DL has the financial strength and network breadth to accomplish what it needs to do in SEA, with or without AS.

You now come back saying that I am essentially talking down to you because you get all of that - but you couldn't express any logical means that DL would not achieve what it wants or that AS would win.

Is it really that difficult for you to admit that someone really does know more about something than you, Kev?

I have consistently given you credit for what you know and for the value you add to the fórum as the logical and articulate voice the labor movement has, at least within the airline industry. IS jt not good enough for you, Kev, to be really good at one thing in the industry and work to make that one thing work? Is it really that difficult for you or anyone else to recognize that other people have expertise in other áreas?

Please, Kev, understand that you are appreciated for what you do bring to the table.... but you don't "provide the whole meal."

Translation: "Know your place."

 

[WorldTraveler]

"know your expertise" which is absolutely critical.

And anyone can demonstrate that they have expanded their field of expertise... it's not like the caste system where you are locked into it for life.

 

[Force Majeure]

Kev,no one doubts that you or E or anyone else gets it about subjects that you know."

In reading your posts over the last couple of months, here is my take as a internet forum psychologist. All of us in the field consider ourselves amateurs any longer.

You know enough about the airline industry to hold your own in a conversation with junior analysts. However, when your posts are taken apart, they fall apart due to "qualified" statements and cherry picked data. That is something a marketing professional does when trying to sell a product to an audience who does not know the product. As much as you dismiss most here, you have underestimated your audience. In my opinion, that is because they have all given up separating the wheat from the chaff in your Demi-fact postings. It seems that most have grown weary of even bothering to read your musings.

Therefore, your superiority complex is self-fulfilling since nobody will challenge you.

One thing does become clear.

Condescension is your strongest character trait.

Am I close?

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, you aren't even in the ballpark.

You and others want to take about fact-based topics but use generalizations. When asked to counter what someone else says that is based on facts, we get generalizations.

If you really knew what you were talking about regarding the subjects you seem to think you are so knowledgeable, you would be able to talk about specifics.

I have no idea what part of the airline industry you work in but I know full well that "just throw some bags on somewhere on the plane" won't cut it. I don't pretend to know the details about how you load or fix the plane but you somehow seem to think that you know all that goes into route planning and revenue management, subjects about which I speak about.

Where have I ever argued with a mechanic on here about how to fix a plane or a baggage handler about how planes are loaded? In fact, I have regularly asked questions of both groups about specifics of their job which quite frankly I don't know and am not afraid to admit that I don't know.

What is apparent is that you and others can't really seem to admit that you aren't the experts on a lot of topics that you think you are. Instead of talking about what you do know and undoubtedly do know very well, you seem to think that you should be free to challenge any statement that someone else makes even if it is an area about which you have no specific training or experience.

If you were as certain about what you have to contribute, you wouldn't be trying so hard to discredit other people.

 

[Force Majeure]

You and others want to take about fact-based topics but use generalizations of other people.

Is that like speaking for an entire workgroup of which you have never been a part of?

Or maybe taking on a representative role of an entire airline station employee group?

Have you ever worked in any operational role? Anywhere? Much less SEA?

That does not mean that you are not qualified to spew neatly trimmed factoids about the operation.

You do the people of the corporation you so dearly love a complete disservice when trying to speak for them as a whole.

They can speak for themselves. If they could only come from underneath the bed wet blanket thrown on them by some 'world traveler'.

 

[WorldTraveler]

just tell me what operational job you have done and see how quickly I can prove that details matter.

As I noted before, if you get the details right, you are free to talk about what ever you want. But over and over again the same people who were convinced they know it all can't get the details out or if they do get them out they have them so badly twisted that the plane would crash/operation would shut down/ BK would happen within days if someone didn't step in who knows what they are doing.

If I inaccurately state details about your job, call me on the carpet. Quickly. But don't be surprised if I do the same thing to you and anyone else who works hard to discredit what I say but can't seem to tell anyone about the real details that matter.

Know what you know and be proud of it. But don't try to be more than you really know, while at the same time you stretch yourself to grow your knowledge and experience.

 

[700UW]

 

[Kev3188]

If you really knew what you were talking about regarding the subjects you seem to think you are so knowledgeable, you would be able to talk about specifics.


What is apparent is that you and others can't really seem to admit that you aren't the experts on a lot of topics that you think you are. Instead of talking about what you do know and undoubtedly do know very well, you seem to think that you should be free to challenge any statement that someone else makes even if it is an area about which you have no specific training or experience.

If you were as certain about what you have to contribute, you wouldn't be trying so hard to discredit other people.

"Know your place."
 
 

You do the people of the corporation you so dearly love a complete disservice when trying to speak for them as a whole.

Truth.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you mean it's not cool to speak for people who haven't given their permission to be represented? You mean it isn't cool to paint a work environment the way one person sees it as representative of the rest of the DL world sees it?

"know your expertise" unless if feeds your martyr complex to believe something else.

 

[700UW]

Well looks like AS isnt going to take this sitting down:
 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska-airlines-announces-between-salt-130000117.html
 
SEATTLE, Dec. 6, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Alaska Airlines will begin daily nonstop service between Salt Lake City and Portland, Ore., Los Angeles, San Diego and San Jose, Calif., starting June 9, and will add a third nonstop flight to its existing service between Salt Lake City and Seattle. Sale fares on the new flights will be available for booking Tuesday, Dec. 10. Flight times and start dates are listed below.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Excellent. Competition is good.

AA and UA will be most impacted while WN now has to be worried about holding its own in SLC against AS which is a lower cost carrier.

 

[700UW]

It looks like you forgot to add DL to the list of AA, WN and UA.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Looks like you forgot that DL has an outstanding track record of defending its hubs. This will be fun to watch.

I think we will see a few more announcements from DL.