Displacements Recinded

[xoxo]

Everything you did at MAA is basically gone. You will start right where you left off. Your time at MAA DOES NOT count towards longevity. The only thing it counts for is your travel pass.

Example:
If you were furloughed last June with 3 1/2 years (4 year payscale) and accepted a spot at MAA, you will start BACK at mainline with 3 1/2 years. You will however hit your next payscale 6 months later (in this example). Sick time does not come with you either, so if you plan on going back, use it up. Vacation will presumably be paid out to you.

[post="253719"][/post]​

Ok, well our supervisors and union are telling us that our time at MAA DOES count towards our mainline pay. Maybe someone needs to check into that, because some of the F/A's at MAA have been there a year. The pay should count. We have been working and we do have the same manuals, and MAA is on the same certificate etc... that comepletely would not be fair. It's not like we work for different company's. We are all trained on the same A/c.

 

[Twicebaked]

Ok, well our supervisors and union are telling us that our time at MAA DOES count towards our mainline pay. Maybe someone needs to check into that, because some of the F/A's at MAA have been there a year. The pay should count. We have been working and we do have the same manuals, and MAA is on the same certificate etc... that comepletely would not be fair. It's not like we work for different company's. We are all trained on the same A/c.

[post="253752"][/post]​

As unfortunate as it is, it is correct. Although it is on the same certificate, it is not the same contract or "mainline division". When you were furloughed, you were basically severed from the company. You came back to US Airways Inc. (the parent company)as a MidAtlantic Airways employee not a US Airways (the airline) employee. Everyone at MAA should know this. This was discussed MANY MANY times during your training. Talk to Teddy not Bobbi. Also, you can contact Dawn Bateman at MAA HR 412.472.1153 and she will tell you as well that you did not accrue anything towards your longevity at mainline while at MAA.
Sorry, but that is a fact. Refer to your offer letter as well.
This is what was negotiated.
Ernie Pickel is also a person of contact.

 

[xoxo]

Twicebaked,

Maybe this is something they are considering or talking about doing. It has been told to me and others MANY times. I could see if it was rumor, but this came out of the mouths of people who would know. I sure wish thay would fight for this because this is not right. I swear...we really get the short end of the stick everytime. We helped the company by coming back and we went through the furlough at mainline, the HUGE paycut..way more than anyone at mainline could ever imagine and now we all work so hard and then we get shafted again. I love this company and by all means this is not me complaining because I chose to come back, but, someone needs to look at the big picture..most of us at MAA were at mainline for over 3 years before we got furloughed. :down:

 

[Twicebaked]

XOXO,

Unfortunately, in typical US style, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. I will investigate this tomorrow and post for everyone what I find out. But, unless something has changed since the start of MAA, this is what it is. I don't believe even your Director of Inflight knows since she wasn't here yet. Like I said, talk to Teddy at mainline AFA and she can tell you what was brought about by Ernie Pickel. I will also talk with Teddy and your supervisors to correct any misinformation.

Maybe something changed and I am now wrong....

 

[xoxo]

Thanks Twicedbaked

 

[calibrator]

Good job, Teddy!

For those of you who think you might be better off without a union, here's proof how valuable a good leader is to the membership!

If Labor just had more leaders like Teddy, there might be a slim chance of maintaining a middle class in this country.

Dea

[post="252330"][/post]​

People gone MANY people gone-- Pensions gone...workers decimated completely and utterly while the big boys make the news media on the extraordinary amounts of money they placed in their pockets...this and all these other wrongs and 50 people get their jobs back and you praise Teddy like she will save the middle class...She is no savior and in fact the furthest thing from it but don't let me break up the worship service....

God Help Us! No one else can or is going to.......

 

[Twicebaked]

People gone MANY people gone-- Pensions gone...workers decimated completely and utterly while the big boys make the news media on the extraordinary amounts of money they placed in their pockets...this and all these other wrongs and 50 people get their jobs back and you praise Teddy like she will save the middle class...She is no savior and in fact the furthest thing from it but don't let me break up the worship service....

God Help Us! No one else can or is going to.......

[post="253761"][/post]​

You know....maybe she can't win the WAR, but she cetainly won this BATTLE. Give credit where credit is due.

Could you do better?

 

[Travelpro72]

I agree. Teddy did well by getting the 50 invols. back ! ! ! ! ! That is definately better than 50 more gone or sent to LGA land. We have lost many battles but this one is a victory. I congratulate her for it. I watch her on local tv here in PIT when she is on as well as on the radio. Her popularity may be mixed but one thing is for sure, she definately knows the contract and has more compassion for us "reserves" than others in the past. I'd rather her be here than not.

 

[DCAflyer]

... I sure wish thay would fight for this because this is not right. I swear...we really get the short end of the stick everytime. We helped the company by coming back and we went through the furlough at mainline, the HUGE paycut..way more than anyone at mainline could ever imagine and now we all work so hard and then we get shafted again. I love this company and by all means this is not me complaining because I chose to come back, but, someone needs to look at the big picture..most of us at MAA were at mainline for over 3 years before we got furloughed. :down:

[post="253755"][/post]​

xoxo,

I am not arguing with anything you are saying, and yes, it's unfair as is almost everything the company has been trying to thrust upon its workers since 9/11. But remember this... the company initially was going to give MAA the American Eagle (AE) contract, which provided pay at only $12/flight hour. Even when a new AE contract was negotiated, WHICH WAS BEFORE THE FIRST E-170 WAS EVEN DELIVERED TO UAIR, the company was going to stick with the old AE contract and not upgrade pay according to the new, improved AE contract. NO CREDIT WAS GOING TO BE GIVEN FOR YEARS OF SERVICE AT UAIR. Xoxo, you would have started at $12 per hour period no matter how long you worked at UAIR. Then the company was going to pick apart the terms of the AE contract, throw out anything they didn't like, yet keep the paultry $12 rate. It was clear that the company didn't want UAIR employees at MAA, they were just going through the motions so they could say that they attempted to do a "soft landing" (Siegel's words!) Yeah, cut someone's pay in half... real soft landing, Dave!

Then Teddy comes in and tells the company "OH NO YOU DON'T!" and AFA began negotiating with CCY to develop a decent contract. The result was a contract that is paletable... not great but it has some pretty decent clauses, makes it easier to commute than mainline, higher guarantee, etc. And in fact the starting pay for the most junior FA now on furlough, coming in at the year 1 rate after the raise this past January, is still a bit over $18/hour... not that much less than where they would be if they went back to mainline at year 1 pay.

The good news is that those already at MAA may very well see themselves back at mainline before the end if the year, if that is in fact what they want (and PitBull says a lot now in MAA don't want to go back to mainline!)

Regards,
DCAflyer

 

[Twicebaked]

After talking with the "Powers that be", the information that I stated in post #32 (above) of this topic is correct.
Those of you that are a MAA flight attedant and are returining to mainline will NOT take your MAA longevity back to mainline with you. You will start with whatever seniority you had when you were furloughed. Sorry :down:

 

[flyin2low]

most of us at MAA were at mainline for over 3 years before we got furloughed.

You need at least 30 years at mainline to have a voice on what happens.....

 

[Light Years]

After talking with the "Powers that be", the information that I stated in post #32 (above) of this topic is correct.
Those of you that are a MAA flight attedant and are returining to mainline will NOT take your MAA longevity back to mainline with you. You will start with whatever seniority you had when you were furloughed. Sorry :down:

[post="253856"][/post]​

There is confusion about this, because apparently it is being fought.

When the "MAA" contract was pulled out of American Eagle's toilet and applied to US, MidAtlantic Airways was supposed to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of US Airways Group. Different airline, different certificate, but owned by US Group like Piedmont, and PSA.

The catch is of course, that this never happened. Instead the E170s are operated by mainline US Airways, in what the FAA calls the Embraer 170 Division. Management keeps up the silly MidAtlantic name and Express titles because it makes thing suitably confusing for those not directly affected- let everyone think it's an Express airline rather than what it really is- US Airways 2- with management's dream employees, contracts and fleet.

What is supposedly being discussed is the fact that US Airways F/As must be credited for all active time served as F/As with US Airways Inc. (not US Airways Group, but US Airways Inc, the airline) as per the contract. "MAA" F/As are just that, US Airways mainline flight attendants, active with US Airways Inc, no matter how many stickers they adorn the planes with.

I don't know if it's the MAA AFA rep fighting for this, or AFA in general, but rumour is that the AFA staff attorney is looking into it.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Light Years,

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but a couple of thoughts....

Technically, MDA was not US Airways Inc when it was first started, it was "Material Services, Inc (d/b/a MidAtlantic Airways) until about July '03 when MSI was merged into USAI.

The other thought concerns longevity vs seniority. While I can certainly understand (and agree with) the desire for MDA longevity to count toward USAI longevity, seniority could be a little trickier.

For example, two mainline F/A's were furloughed at the same time, with F/A A being slightly senior to F/A B. F/A B accepts a MDA position but F/A A doesn't. If both come back to mainline, should F/A B now be senior to F/A A, by virtue of time spent at MDA?

Like I said, this isn't my fight - it's something for the F/A group to work out.

Jim

 

[pitguy74]

You need at least 30 years at mainline to have a voice on what happens.....

[post="253865"][/post]​

I don't care how many years one has, this situation is tough for anyone. Everyone has a voice. selfishness, is one of the main reasons this whole situation is upon us . Let's not bring that onto each other. Don't fuel the fire.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter
-Martin Luther King

 

[PSA1979]

This comes straight from the 2002 restructuring agreement:

"The Company may operate MDA as a separate division within mainline – US Airways, Inc. Wages, benefits and work rules will match the AA Eagle flight attendant agreement. Flight attendants will carry to MDA their longevity for pay purposes only. Seniority relative to other US Airways flight attendants will not be affected.A flight attendant may bid or be displaced to an MDA position subject to restrictions to be negotiated. A flight attendant may accept an involuntary furlough in lieu of displacement to an MDA position and will receive accrued furlough pay, and a flight attendant on furlough may bypass recall to an MDA position; in either case, the flight attendant will then be offered recall when his/her seniority entitles him/her to a position on a mainline aircraft."

I don't know about the rumor that AFA is fighting for seniority rights, because this doesn't exactly spell it out in clear language. It says they take their longevity for pay purposes only, but do they keep it?

Hey Pitbull, what do you have to say about this?