WeAAsles
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Well hopefully you can clear up my misleading the readers here (There are none) that AMFA only has 3800 represented members total whereas the TWU and IAM represent over 15,000 M&R at AA alone.
Did everyone leave?
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Well hopefully you can clear up my misleading the readers here (There are none) that AMFA only has 3800 represented members total whereas the TWU and IAM represent over 15,000 M&R at AA alone.
WeAAsles
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I’m sure this will get deleted but maybe I’ll get lucky and you’ll see it first so I can take up even more space in your head.
You obviously don't know about the final outcome. You may think twice about posting anything not true towards this individual, he has taken action towards others that have and won.
I could care less how many are represented by any union. What IS important is HOW they are represented. Much better to have quality representation over quantity represented.
Not only that, there are way too many different groups (12 I do believe) so no one group out of ALL 12 ever get the true focused on their group as far as representation goes. At least with AMFA we get very focused on within our Mechanic and Related group. No overwhelming misrepresentation from being so outnumbered as in the AA'ers case with an overwhelming fleet and other groups so much more focused on them rather than the Mechanic and Related.
And thanks once again for bringing up that very important detail about the AA'ers representation, just shows how bad the Mechanic and Related are NOT focused on at AA with the asso representation...
That was not AMFA doing anything. That was individuals (personal) attacks upon this gentleman. So he then took action also thru AMFA legal and won all accuations brought against him. Also those individuals were also dealt with in accordance with the by-laws.
WeAAsles
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Ok so what it seems like you’re trying to say here is the smaller and smaller your group gets the better the representation AMFA will be able to provide for you. Also not sure how you can continue to believe that M&R at AA are not represented when their are over 15,000 members and their contract is just as good individually as yours?
And it’s better period because plain and simply it provides far more of an opportunity to get in than yours ever possibly could. You yourself just said that you are going to grow by 14 people. Meanwhile the rest of the Industry in every Group is growing by Thousands.
But AMFA at SWA is growing by 14. That’s quality representation alright. 🤦♂️
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swamt I want to try to get you out of that fantasyland you live in when thinking what you have is so much better than the AA M&R.
Go ahead and cherry pick this Contract for yourself. Post multiple examples where your AMFA contract is so much better for the individual AMT than this Association negotiated one? At the end of the day we all work for our Companies for pay and benefits. I’d bet that overall an AMT at AA with the same time as you at SWA pretty much makes the same?
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Out of curiosity, why leave out any of the groups covered by the M&R T/A?
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I want to point out something here about how great AMFA representation is if you’re not an AMT using what they have at Alaska Airlines.
Here’s a link to the IAM 142 Contract that covers COPS (Clerical and office personnel) If you look from page 164 to 169 you’ll see TOS pay that ranges for Agents Grade A to C from $33.46 to $30.30 and Clerical $29.84 to $24.92
Ramp and Stores for IAM 141 page 98 and 99 TOS $30.30 to $35.80
And finally the Alaska AMFA Contract page 125 and 126
Technician Helper Janitor $26.68
Fleet Service (Cleaners) $16.55
$16.55 shows me what AMFA means for the low to unskilled workers and what kind of representation those people get for the dues they contribute. (Not worth paying for)
Here’s a link to the IAM 142 Contract that covers COPS (Clerical and office personnel) If you look from page 164 to 169 you’ll see TOS pay that ranges for Agents Grade A to C from $33.46 to $30.30 and Clerical $29.84 to $24.92
Ramp and Stores for IAM 141 page 98 and 99 TOS $30.30 to $35.80
And finally the Alaska AMFA Contract page 125 and 126
Technician Helper Janitor $26.68
Fleet Service (Cleaners) $16.55
$16.55 shows me what AMFA means for the low to unskilled workers and what kind of representation those people get for the dues they contribute. (Not worth paying for)
WeAAsles
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Absolutely for no personal reason other than I wasn’t looking to be complete to make my point. The handful of groups I left out each numbered under 100 people total. But here’s two pictures of the tabs that represent all the groups.
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Thunderdome
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Alright fair enough. Thanks.
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They eliminated my shop after the TWU president of local 514 (who was in Fleet Service) and the Fleet Service Chairman encouraged the membership to vote for concessionary contracts. It's pretty telling that both of them had jobs waiting for them while everyone else in the shop was forced to put in a transfer or hit the street, with the Fleet Service Chairman even bypassing seniority.
I had made up my mind to leave before I even knew they were eliminating the shop. That is why I already had a good portion of my schooling done by the time I ASKED for early release *(with severance), so I could focus on finishing out my schooling.
keep believing your fantasies though.
The only thing TWU showed me is the representatives the membership voted for were willing to stab them in the back to cover their own ass and the international was willing to look the other way, all while taking deductions every two weeks.
Oh I deserved it? Along with the other 100+ people in the shop? And TUL? Now THAT'S the TWU I know.
I wasn't wondering. I assumed he was. After all he earned it shilling for the company.
You ever wonder why I did not put in a transfer to another shop at TULE WeAAsles? Ponder on that while you act the fool.
And thanks for keeping your track record as a liar obvious and intact.
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You're capacity for self delusion never ceases to amaze me.
So how about your boy Justin Trudeau taking on the part of Strike Breaker.
Just another leftist PoS denying people their voice in favor of government control.
Not too long ago you had celebrity after celebrity declare they were moving to Canada if Trump won the presidency (then didn't follow through). Wonder what they think of their socialist utopia now?
Justin Trudeau is just another leftist hack showing his true commie colors. Government overreach has become his modus operandi.
I have personally not seen anything from the Association condemning Justin Trudeau's strike breaking measures. To me that speaks volumes. Party before principle aye WeAAsles?
