Kev3188
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Universal health care would be great.townpete said:
Democrats.....the gift that keeps on giving
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Kev3188
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No urgent care in the Orion Nebula?
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We'll see...
Mostly it doen't really matter much, Hillary is just a smarter, tougher Bush beholden to a different bunch of bankers, lobbyists and such.
The little difference it would make to prolong the pendulum's swing in favor of the people and individuals' freedoms and rights would be a plus, of course, but 2008 was the one that mattered. Getting the pendulum moving back away from the NeoCon crooks' version of the US and their handlers' and back towards the peoples' interests was vital, and the people recognized that and made it happen.
Just in time, too.
Mostly it doen't really matter much, Hillary is just a smarter, tougher Bush beholden to a different bunch of bankers, lobbyists and such.
The little difference it would make to prolong the pendulum's swing in favor of the people and individuals' freedoms and rights would be a plus, of course, but 2008 was the one that mattered. Getting the pendulum moving back away from the NeoCon crooks' version of the US and their handlers' and back towards the peoples' interests was vital, and the people recognized that and made it happen.
Just in time, too.
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btw, universal health care works, and our system doesn't, and it was worse and getting worse before ACA.
Pre ACA, we spent the most for pretty much the worst in nearly every measure amongst developed countries, and lagged many not-so-developed countries in several important areas.
Tell all the stories and cite all tje anecdotes you want. Both sides can do that for eons, and overall, when examining the system and making judgements about public policy, they are meaningless.
If you insist in citing every Canadian who comes to tje US for whatever procedure, at least also cite the millioms who don't, and the thousands of Americans who go all over the world, and often to the Carribbean and Central/South America, for health care and treatment.
The empirical data is there, it is available, and it is not pretty.
It also supports that we paid the most for the least pre ACA, and that although slowly, the situation is improving. Costs are rising more slowly, while still too fast, and more people are covered, while still not everyone.
Universal Health Care does work.
Claiming that anything universal is a failure is an argument for disbanding the federally controlled standing army, and returning to the state militia system.
Hardly ever see anyone suggest that
Pre ACA, we spent the most for pretty much the worst in nearly every measure amongst developed countries, and lagged many not-so-developed countries in several important areas.
Tell all the stories and cite all tje anecdotes you want. Both sides can do that for eons, and overall, when examining the system and making judgements about public policy, they are meaningless.
If you insist in citing every Canadian who comes to tje US for whatever procedure, at least also cite the millioms who don't, and the thousands of Americans who go all over the world, and often to the Carribbean and Central/South America, for health care and treatment.
The empirical data is there, it is available, and it is not pretty.
It also supports that we paid the most for the least pre ACA, and that although slowly, the situation is improving. Costs are rising more slowly, while still too fast, and more people are covered, while still not everyone.
Universal Health Care does work.
Claiming that anything universal is a failure is an argument for disbanding the federally controlled standing army, and returning to the state militia system.
Hardly ever see anyone suggest that
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Liberals, and radical liberals at that, not only founded this country, but spear-headed every movement and most every effort to make this country a better place for the people of this country.
The man most of us claim to follow was also a radical liberal, and a non-violent revolutinary. Not only did he attempt to and succeed in turning the establishment upside down and creating fundamental change, he claimed to actually be god.
The conservatives of every time have stood in the way of progress, reason, science, thought, logic, enlightenment, education the betterment of the common man and the advancement of individual rights and freedoms.
That has never been more true than today and with today's GOP and its radio and tv mouthpieces, programmers and puppeteers.
Nothin' personal boys, it's just history.
The man most of us claim to follow was also a radical liberal, and a non-violent revolutinary. Not only did he attempt to and succeed in turning the establishment upside down and creating fundamental change, he claimed to actually be god.
The conservatives of every time have stood in the way of progress, reason, science, thought, logic, enlightenment, education the betterment of the common man and the advancement of individual rights and freedoms.
That has never been more true than today and with today's GOP and its radio and tv mouthpieces, programmers and puppeteers.
Nothin' personal boys, it's just history.
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How can what a bot posts be personal?townpete said:
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KKK liberal?
Talk about your low info voter
And your outright unabashd lies
Conservatism is just about defined by the dsire to protect, retain and/or maintain the Status Quo. The KKK was all about exactly that, or at least to return to the previous state of affairs.
Tories and loyalists were the conservatives of the day
Our Founding Fathers were revolutionary, radical, free-thinking Liberals who fought for and achieved Fundamental Change.
So was Jesus
Talk about your low info voter
And your outright unabashd lies
Conservatism is just about defined by the dsire to protect, retain and/or maintain the Status Quo. The KKK was all about exactly that, or at least to return to the previous state of affairs.
Tories and loyalists were the conservatives of the day
Our Founding Fathers were revolutionary, radical, free-thinking Liberals who fought for and achieved Fundamental Change.
So was Jesus
Ifly2 said:
Perhaps you could at least explain to all of us "low info" sorts why the KKK was founded and largely staffed by Democrats?
"Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies,,,"
http://www.history.com/topics/ku-klux-klan
