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700UW said:
Did you learn that in sec 6 negotiations too?
I've finally meet the one person who knows everything. Again
Delta mechanics getting raise again
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Did you learn that in sec 6 negotiations too?
I've finally meet the one person who knows everything. Again
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swamt said:
It was sarcasm brother. Metal Mover was being sarcastic to WT's comments about how great and charitable DL is to its non-unionized work force. I know you hate me but I do not delight in seeing people walked out. In fact I am criticized for being overly concerned for our fellow overhaul AMTs.
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700UW said:
If it were worth my time I would but, I think you get the jist of it.
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WorldTraveler said:
Correct it is a JV but you said they made more revenue than any airline owned MRO and that's not true. TAESL is jointly owned by AA and fully staffed by TWU workers. And a lot of DL Tech Ops work is tied up in JV's.
http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2007/04/18/358309/117617/en/Delta-TechOps-Enters-Strategic-Partnerships-Valued-At-1-8-Billion.html
While DL was unilaterally shafting their licensed AMTs by outsourcing thousands of jobs and stripping them of their defined benefit pension plan, at least TWU members at TAESL were still accruing years into their plan until AA file BK.
Face it. DL does not love their AMTs so much that they throw money at them. No company does, they do it grudgingly because outside forces make them match or in DL's case, they do it to keep unions out.
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I hope so!!!700UW said:
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Difference is at Delta you never have Job Security, you could have 40 years and some snot nosed kid takes over and next thing you know you are out in the street while his playmates stay on the job.WorldTraveler said:
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Have to wonder if DL's forming of TechOps was a response to AA getting the TWU to allow SRPs to replace A&P mechanics.
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Well maybe they don't pay a premium to keep unions in but they most certainly would pay to keep them out, in fact they spend hundreds of millions a year on "Union avoidance services". Are you that ignorant or that deceitful?WorldTraveler said:
As far as how AA can get what Delta gets, well the first thing they can do is help the IAM guys at US get more than Delta by supporting them however they can, because if US gets more than DELTA then Delta becomes the bottom comparator carrier in the Mid Term wage Adjustment formula, so AA's hourly rate would be higher than Deltas. Sure our holidays , VC and Sick time will still suck, but then again we have layoffs by seniority, Just Cause and the right to have facial hair and hair that touches our ears and we don't have to sign off work that the company has inexperienced school kids accomplish either.
Why don't you go back to harassing the Brazilian Papists and leave us alone? Or is this how you pay Delta for their "donations" to your cause?
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And more work will be lost in ATL TOC when the DL and AM open their JV hangar in Mexico.
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54206-delta-air-lines-to-build-heavy-maintenance-facility-in-queretaro-mexico/
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/54206-delta-air-lines-to-build-heavy-maintenance-facility-in-queretaro-mexico/
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wrong. DL will WIN more engine overhaul business because DL will be bidding for the engine part of the overhaul and AM will be doing the airframe overhauls. Since DL sends airframe overhauls out anyway, it will be profiting from having a maintenance JV partner.
The closest thing to a JV partner in MTC is TAESL but it is still an engine only MRO solution. DL's JV with AM will be one of the most comprehensive maintenance JVs and it will lead to more, not less jobs for DL employees.
The majority of DL Tech Ops current work is not for partner airlines at all... unless you consider the US government and Hawaiian Airlines among others as DL partners.
It is complete lies to say that DL employees are pushed out the door at the whims of mgmt. Those kinds of statements only solidify in the minds of DL employees why unions aren't even worth considering... if they lie or are so ignorant about such fundamental parts of the way DL operates, no one can believe their claims about what they promise they will do.
The closest thing to a JV partner in MTC is TAESL but it is still an engine only MRO solution. DL's JV with AM will be one of the most comprehensive maintenance JVs and it will lead to more, not less jobs for DL employees.
The majority of DL Tech Ops current work is not for partner airlines at all... unless you consider the US government and Hawaiian Airlines among others as DL partners.
It is complete lies to say that DL employees are pushed out the door at the whims of mgmt. Those kinds of statements only solidify in the minds of DL employees why unions aren't even worth considering... if they lie or are so ignorant about such fundamental parts of the way DL operates, no one can believe their claims about what they promise they will do.
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To deny that it occurs is the greatest lie of all.
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DL terminates employees when it is necessary to do so and by providing appropriate warning and recourse. The reason why the concept of terminating low performers is so foreign to you is because unions fight measuring performance precisely so no one is in a position of being laid off for poor performance.Kev3188 said:
The best organizations in the world - not just companies - know that not everyone is going to meet the minimum requirements even with abundant training and counseling. At some point, some people have to be pushed out for the sake of the organization and the 99+% of employees who do their job to standard or better.
You still haven't even provided any evidence that DL's rate of attrition - forced or voluntary - is any worse than at other companies.
It also doesn't change that the majority of DL employees understand the standards that DL expects them to meet, believes they are fair and reasonable, and/or don't see a union as offering anything to change how DL operates.
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Like I said, to deny it occurs is the biggest lie of all.
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Kev,
I don't doubt that you see things differently than other DL employees but either the cause is that performance based terminations didn't occur or that DL really is operating by a different set of rules for one part of its system (presumably you think it is PMNW) vs DL. If the latter is what you think, you need to be really sure that you have some real data to support that claim because other DL employees quite simply don't see it as unfair.
As with any issue, if it was as big as you want us to believe it is, then people across the system would be screaming and a union would be on the property yesterday.
I don't doubt that you see things differently than other DL employees but either the cause is that performance based terminations didn't occur or that DL really is operating by a different set of rules for one part of its system (presumably you think it is PMNW) vs DL. If the latter is what you think, you need to be really sure that you have some real data to support that claim because other DL employees quite simply don't see it as unfair.
As with any issue, if it was as big as you want us to believe it is, then people across the system would be screaming and a union would be on the property yesterday.
