Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dca319]

That IS my point. The company argues NOTHING.

Only APA and USAPA argue.

READ PARAGRAPH 10.(d)

My reference to the company having the Nicolau is only in respect to the validity of the award. The company accepted the award and has since never invalidated or rejected it. In fact, its still in court seeking guidance with regard to it. That doesn't sound like a dead document to me. The courts didn't invalidate it either and, in fact, stated that moving off of it required a LUP which I have yet to hear come from the union.
Leonidas sits on the sideline waiting for ripeness. That's not a secret to the company or the APA. The APA will submit their list using the Nicolau IMHO. It won't be long before I'm proven right or wrong.

 

[dca319]

Funny,
We have a signed CBA, with rates twice the East rates....

You mean they did that?

Impressive.....

So they say. But then again, they say alot when they're getting recalled. Why don't you ask end of alpa?

 

[AAviator]

So they say. But then again, they say alot when they're getting recalled. Why don't you ask end of alpa?

Man, we better pull the plug on APA STAT...

CLT reps have it goin on!

(it will be the NIC)

 

[end_of_alpa]

My reference to the company having the Nicolau is only in respect to the validity of the award. The company accepted the award and has since never invalidated or rejected it. In fact, its still in court seeking guidance with regard to it. That doesn't sound like a dead document to me. The courts didn't invalidate it either and, in fact, stated that moving off of it required a LUP which I have yet to hear come from the union.
Leonidas sits on the sideline waiting for ripeness. That's not a secret to the company or the APA. The APA will submit their list using the Nicolau IMHO. It won't be long before I'm proven right or wrong.

The APA CANNOT SUBMIT ANY LIST BUT THEIR OWN. YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG.

They submit THEIR pilot list, NOT OURS!

Really, you're not that stupid, you're just screwing around....right?

 

[end_of_alpa]

So they say. But then again, they say alot when they're getting recalled. Why don't you ask end of alpa?

The CLT reps didn't negotiate APA contract, APA did. All the CLT reps got the pilots was retro pay and of the APA contract and some extra cash to feb 8 under the MOU in exchange for a yes recommendation. That is all. Thank you APA. We genuflect to your superior intellect.

 

[luvthe9]

USAirways Pilots East and West, about to take the first offer. They always do. Never do they negotiate from a position of strength. Always they make the case for management. This is about the clearest cut case of management falling over themselves for the prize and payout of their lives. Meanwhile, the pilots on this board are about to sell themselves short. Typical. I would love to be on the other side of a real estate deal or car deal when you guys walk in. I would highball you and you would most likely take it, and make a statement that the dealership was entitled to a large markup.
Why don't you take some time and look at the video of the Pawn Stars. Maybe you can learn something about the art of negotiations. Remember, you are dealing with a company whose CEO has failed numerous times to succeed in a merger. He is in a flat out competition to run the company with Horton. He just booked record profits. And you guys are about to take a substandard offer. Unbelievable. NEVER TAKE THE FIRST OFFER.

This is great, our NAC should have been forced to watch this then maybe we would have not ended up with such a POS MOU.

 

[luvthe9]

The APA CANNOT SUBMIT ANY LIST BUT THEIR OWN. YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG.

They submit THEIR pilot list, NOT OURS!

Really, you're not that stupid, you're just screwing around....right?

FLAMEBAIT!!!!!

 

[end_of_alpa]

My reference to the company having the Nicolau is only in respect to the validity of the award. The company accepted the award and has since never invalidated or rejected it. In fact, its still in court seeking guidance with regard to it. That doesn't sound like a dead document to me. The courts didn't invalidate it either and, in fact, stated that moving off of it required a LUP which I have yet to hear come from the union.
Leonidas sits on the sideline waiting for ripeness. That's not a secret to the company or the APA. The APA will submit their list using the Nicolau IMHO. It won't be long before I'm proven right or wrong.

My reference to the company having the Nicolau is only in respect to the validity of the award. The company accepted the award and has since never invalidated or rejected it. In fact, its still in court seeking guidance with regard to it. That doesn't sound like a dead document to me. The courts didn't invalidate it either and, in fact, stated that moving off of it required a LUP which I have yet to hear come from the union.
Leonidas sits on the sideline waiting for ripeness. That's not a secret to the company or the APA. The APA will submit their list using the Nicolau IMHO. It won't be long before I'm proven right or wrong.

if you vote yes on MOU, and all others do the same and MOU takes effect, paragraph 10(d) rules. AOL can try for injunction but the court has to rejected vote through injunctive relief.

Won't happen. Wagers, anyone?

 

[dca319]

The APA CANNOT SUBMIT ANY LIST BUT THEIR OWN. YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG.

They submit THEIR pilot list, NOT OURS!

Really, you're not that stupid, you're just screwing around....right?

That would be their own list! We submit our data and they order it as they wish. If they order our side using the Nicolau, then so be it. We can't stop them.
And THIS comes from the NAC directly. All we do is give them our list of pilots and they parse it and order it any way they want to.
Do you really think if we give them our data in DOH order that it has to stay that way?!?! Boy, you arent' kidding when you say you can't fix stupid.

 

[dca319]

The CLT reps didn't negotiate APA contract, APA did. All the CLT reps got the pilots was retro pay and of the APA contract and some extra cash to feb 8 under the MOU in exchange for a yes recommendation. That is all. Thank you APA. We genuflect to your superior intellect.

There you go AA. He genuflected.

 

[dca319]

if you vote yes on MOU, and all others do the same and MOU takes effect, paragraph 10(d) rules. AOL can try for injunction but the court has to rejected vote through injunctive relief.

Won't happen. Wagers, anyone?

AoL will file for an injunction after we submit a non-Nicolau list.

 

[luvthe9]

Man, we better pull the plug on APA STAT...

CLT reps have it goin on!

(it will be the NIC)

Wow, a 3 or 4 yr westie going ahead of 12 to 15 yr APA pilot, youu guys are very generous, why did you not put the TWA pilots ahead of all of you?

 

[luvthe9]

AoL will file for an injunction after we submit a non-Nicolau list.

File all you wwant, it will only take 5 to 8 yrs to get turned down. Enjoy.

 

[dca319]

File all you wwant, it will only take 5 to 8 yrs to get turned down. Enjoy.

Injunctions don't take long. Do you know what an injunction is Courtney?

 

[dca319]

The APA CANNOT SUBMIT ANY LIST BUT THEIR OWN. YOU ARE FLAT OUT WRONG.

They submit THEIR pilot list, NOT OURS!

Really, you're not that stupid, you're just screwing around....right?

Do you understand the difference between submitting our data versus submitting a proposed list using the data that was previously exchanged? Ask the NAC to explain it to you very slowly.