Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dca319]

No, read the MOU.(again). USAPA (the merger committee and administration compatible with it I would say), as far as the SLI is concerned, maintains its own existence until the SLI is complete.

Only until the completion of the SLI does the total existence of USAPA disappear. Why don't you call Holmes or Calveri and ask them. They'll tell you that.

The administration is assumed by the APA. That comes from the NAC.

 

[Zone5]

I wouldn't be so sure Courtney. The Nicolau is the only list the company currently has and why are they so intent on a decision from a judge as to whether or not they can use it.

Gee, I could have sworn that the last bid used a different list here in PHL and I think the last PHX bid used yet another. Maybe you should tell "Team Tempe" they are not using the "correct" list!


seajay

 

[dca319]

Good luck with that. Your lack of understanding about what is and isn't binding has cost your constituency years and millions.

I thought he was a PHX rep.

 

[end_of_alpa]

The administration is assumed by the APA. That comes from the NAC.

Where is that written?

 

[dca319]

Gee, I could have sworn that the last bid used a different list here in PHL and I think the last PHX bid used yet another. Maybe you should tell "Team Tempe" they are not using the "correct" list!


seajay

OK, I'll take that because I wasn't more clear. The Nicolau is the only integrated list the company has in its possession.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Where is that written?

So APA argues APA side and APA argues USAPA side. Or better yet, APA tells USAPA what they can argue.

So why even bother to have an arbitration?

 

[dca319]

Where is that written?

It comes from the APA and NAC. They were standing together when the question of being separate from the company came up and who would handle the money during SLI. Both the APA and NAC came to a consensus that the APA, post single-carrier, would take on that responsibility. As for where its written, I don't know.

 

[end_of_alpa]

OK, I'll take that because I wasn't more clear. The Nicolau is the only integrated list the company has in its possession.

The company doesn't submit the list.....

CIRCLES!

You can't fix stupid!

 

[dca319]

So APA argues APA side and APA argues USAPA side. Or better yet, APA tells USAPA what they can argue.

Where did you come up with that? USAPA argues our side and APA argues their side. USAPA does so independent of APA and the company. I thought you understood that.

 

[dca319]

The company doesn't submit the list.....

CIRCLES!

You can't fix stupid!

Again, the list exists. The company doesn't submit it but it doesn't preclude the APA from using it at all.

And no Jamie, you can't fix stupid. Its why we're under LOA 93, an injunction, and a minor player in this merger.

 

[end_of_alpa]

It comes from the APA and NAC. They were standing together when the question of being separate from the company came up and who would handle the money during SLI. Both the APA and NAC came to a consensus that the APA, post single-carrier, would take on that responsibility. As for where its written, I don't know.

I would accept THAT!

But the money and the argument of integration are completely separate issues, and for the SLI USAPA still exists, the APA would be the keeper of the money, unless you're suggesting that the APA could withhold it unless USAPA agrees with their position.

 

[Portly Dorman]

Has anyone noticed that those with the most reasonable questions and concerns with this proposed MOU are among the longest serving pilots around here, who've seen the proverbial movie many times now? Against those; largely nebulous, infantile BS about "moving on" is the bulk of what's offered by those most enthusiastic about accepting the agreement? Just something to consider folks.

"It's deja vu all over again!" Yogi Berra

All the east a-holes must be divorced because if I told my wife that I voted no on a $30k pay raise based on principle....well lets just say that it would be a long time before I saw her naked again...yes you guessed it...because of principle

 

[end_of_alpa]

Where did you come up with that? USAPA argues our side and APA argues their side. USAPA does so independent of APA and the company. I thought you understood that.

That IS my point. The company argues NOTHING.

Only APA and USAPA argue.

READ PARAGRAPH 10.(d)

 

[dca319]

I would accept THAT!

But the money and the argument of integration are completely separate issues, and for the SLI USAPA still exists, the APA would be the keeper of the money, unless you're suggesting that the APA could withhold it unless USAPA agrees with their position.

No, I'm not suggesting that at all. My interpretation is that APA would act more like an escrow company.

 

[AAviator]

According to our CLT reps, it was them so you can email them if you disagree.

Funny,
We have a signed CBA, with rates twice the East rates....

You mean they did that?

Impressive.....