prechilill
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It's pretty easy to understand in its present form with a legitimate college education
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It's pretty easy to understand in its present form with a legitimate college education
Great! So you're fully prepped and ready to field any and all questions involving it then? Wonderful news! Guys!...Just take all your questions or concerns to Pre here, and she'll explain everything!
Joke of the day now fully locked in. Thanks for that Pre
prechilill
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No problem General
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We can always get management to nail down the MOU language once it passes. I'm certain they will be happy to tell us what we signed on to after it's ratified.
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Mine is pretty legitimate. Can I quiz you on it?
Aw shucks...now you're just embarrassing me here. What's next? = Your Excellency? Maybe you kids should just stick with something simple...Hmm..."Sire" should suffice.
I'm sure they will, if this thing's passed as is.
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Did he promote himself?
Nope. All that BS's coming entirely from your little group of "spartans", (you'd know that, if you could read) although I've now suggested simplifying all feebly attempted, ever-escalating-in-rank disrespect from a few of you pathetic little punks, and suggest you just go with "Sire".
BTW little westie: How's your completely-nic-obsessed-but-supposedly-an-"east"-pilot thing working for you?
Got any spare "Integrity Matters" T's to give away?
I attended the road show in CLT yesterday and spent about an hour and a half listening to the presentation and questions. Talking with the others that were in attendance, it sounds like I missed the fireworks by a day.
I'm still stunned that some of us think that we have this sort of magical leverage over the company with CoC and scope. One former negotiator, and I can't remember his name, stood up and asked about using leverage to try and improve the MOU and finished with "I THINK we MIGHT have something with CoC." "Think" and "might", in my opinion, don't sound like words you use to describe one's leverage. We have a good deal of money on the table and there are still those of us out there who are looking around it at what I consider minutiae when looking at the vast improvements over LOA93. Say we go all in with CoC and lose - where do we end up? Status quo for 18-24 months. That's a tall price to pay. What's the worst thing to happen if we vote in the MOU? $200+ an hour G2 C/O in a few years. Better retirement. Retro pay and $10,000. And this MOU is only temporary. We'll be working on a JCBA in a few months and, from what I was told, any shortcomings our MOUs have will be addressed.
Some of our pilots are under the mistaken impression that they run the airline and it exists for the convenience. These guys really need to get over themselves. If a base shuts down or is downsized then you commute or move. Voting down an MOU because you want guarantees is ridiculous because we all know how quickly those guarantees disappear. Personally, this MOU is a no-brainer. We vote it down we continue the crap lifestyle we have now and Parker doesn't lose a wink of sleep.
As for the Nicolau, it was my understanding that USAPA submits two lists (east and west) to verify the pilots and then proposes the integration method to the other parties. I cannot imagine the APA even considering DOH when that will put almost 80% of our pilots in the top 50% of the combined list. They're going to fight that tooth and nail and you can bet the Leonidas guys are going to be waiting in the wings to pounce as well. The Nicolau may not be used (and with the way Szymanski remained neutral with his answers) but it sounds like DOH is going to send us into arbitration in less than one face to face meeting. The Nicolau may not be used but it sounds like some sort of slotting will be used. These arbitrators aren't going to undercut one of their own to make us happy.
I talked to about 20 or so pilots before I left and all but two were voting for the MOU. The other two seemed to think there was more to be had even after Dean told them that was it. You can see how we ended up with LOA93 with our overreaching and our attempt to outthink the company. No one can be so naive as to think that Parker and his legal team haven't gone through all the scenarios involving CoC to think it'll be an issue. And even if it is possible to trigger CoC, as Woody stated, it'll take a long time for the company to lose.
Crimi and McKee were in attendance as well. I can't wait to recall those smug idiots.
I'm still stunned that some of us think that we have this sort of magical leverage over the company with CoC and scope. One former negotiator, and I can't remember his name, stood up and asked about using leverage to try and improve the MOU and finished with "I THINK we MIGHT have something with CoC." "Think" and "might", in my opinion, don't sound like words you use to describe one's leverage. We have a good deal of money on the table and there are still those of us out there who are looking around it at what I consider minutiae when looking at the vast improvements over LOA93. Say we go all in with CoC and lose - where do we end up? Status quo for 18-24 months. That's a tall price to pay. What's the worst thing to happen if we vote in the MOU? $200+ an hour G2 C/O in a few years. Better retirement. Retro pay and $10,000. And this MOU is only temporary. We'll be working on a JCBA in a few months and, from what I was told, any shortcomings our MOUs have will be addressed.
Some of our pilots are under the mistaken impression that they run the airline and it exists for the convenience. These guys really need to get over themselves. If a base shuts down or is downsized then you commute or move. Voting down an MOU because you want guarantees is ridiculous because we all know how quickly those guarantees disappear. Personally, this MOU is a no-brainer. We vote it down we continue the crap lifestyle we have now and Parker doesn't lose a wink of sleep.
As for the Nicolau, it was my understanding that USAPA submits two lists (east and west) to verify the pilots and then proposes the integration method to the other parties. I cannot imagine the APA even considering DOH when that will put almost 80% of our pilots in the top 50% of the combined list. They're going to fight that tooth and nail and you can bet the Leonidas guys are going to be waiting in the wings to pounce as well. The Nicolau may not be used (and with the way Szymanski remained neutral with his answers) but it sounds like DOH is going to send us into arbitration in less than one face to face meeting. The Nicolau may not be used but it sounds like some sort of slotting will be used. These arbitrators aren't going to undercut one of their own to make us happy.
I talked to about 20 or so pilots before I left and all but two were voting for the MOU. The other two seemed to think there was more to be had even after Dean told them that was it. You can see how we ended up with LOA93 with our overreaching and our attempt to outthink the company. No one can be so naive as to think that Parker and his legal team haven't gone through all the scenarios involving CoC to think it'll be an issue. And even if it is possible to trigger CoC, as Woody stated, it'll take a long time for the company to lose.
Crimi and McKee were in attendance as well. I can't wait to recall those smug idiots.
I'm stunned any could be so willfully oblivious to said leverage. Speaking of "smug idiots": Westies, btw, don't make up the "us" in that CoC and scope equation. Be happy such exists regardless. All, like it or not, are aboard the same ship in these negotiations.
BTW: "As for the Nicolau,.."..."The Nicolau may not be used...but"...and ."The Nicolau.." yet again? I'm proud of you kid. You're starting to at least cut down a bit.
Nope. All that BS's coming entirely from your little group of "spartans", (you'd know that, if you could read) although I've now suggested simplifying all feebly attempted, ever-escalating-in-rank disrespect from you pathetic little punks, and suggest you just go with "Sire".
BTW little westie: How's your completely-nic-obsessed-but-supposedly-an-"east"-pilot thing working for you?
Got any spare "Integrity Matters" T's to give away?
"Little weste" Admiral? Is that how you lash out? Is your grandiose ego bruised a bit? It would be nice if we had someone in the BPR to ask the tough questions I've been asking instead of falling in line and chanting whatever mantra the UELs spit out. Its no wonder we act with disbelief when everything falls apart and we start crying our eyes out claiming to be the victims of some illicit scheme to make out lives miserable. Grow up a bit Admiral and put that ego in check for a few minutes. Ask yourself if everything your heroes McKee and Crimi say makes sense. I've been hearing promise after promise from this union with nothing to show for it. You know the list as well as I do and I'm starting to see that the DOH promise is going to be added to it.
I never said they did Admiral.
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