Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion
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prechilill
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- Nov 28, 2002
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Crimi is nuts. Period. By far the worst of the three.
Not only doesn't bother to explain any weaknesses, but instead chooses to send out a glossy "sales brochure"....Not exactly what I was expecting, much less hoping for here. The vague language alone, to me at least, allows management to drive not only trucks through much of this but entire fleets of container ships! Since when should team tempe's "goodwill" be trusted at any level? Aren't these the very same folks who've historically forced everything possible to greivance, rather than reasonably resolve, well..pretty much ANYthing?
Any union board responsive to artificially set "deadlines", set purely for management's convenience, fails to much impress.
This whole pathetic mentality of just immediately take whatever's first offered or it'll get worse!/the sky is ALWAYS falling!/etc, simply amazes me. The same people that so eagerly wished to vote Yea on even the first MOU/POS offered are again claiming that no improvements are possible...Not really any big surprise there, but what do they really base any such BS on?...Perhaps their proven "wisdom" by being completely wrong the first time?
Unless I'm missing something here; absolutely NOTHING immediately comes to the US side if this is quckly voted in. What's the big rush to accept this highly questionable offer supposedly based on?
nevergiveup
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Hummel want to cozy up with the company and drop the PBGC case while Crimi says no. Checks and balances...a good thing.
It sure is Jake. Sigh!...If you're completely happy working for a company making record profits and yet being treated as, at best, a second-class citizen of their proposed uber-airline to be...well then....carry on, little Pilgrim.
Sorry you didn't get your chance to immediately vote into being the very first offered MOU/POS that came down the trail, and get even less than is currently on the table, as you had so brilliantly wished to do......
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He IS nuts. But you have to get all three in a recall or whoever is left just appoints them right back in.
I've gotten some sense of that as well. I wonder what's possibly in it for him personally, if anything...? Hmmm...runs to PHX prior to even taking office....What WAS that all about?...just sayin'/askin'...
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The first MOU would have never made it to a vote regardless. APA saw it and wanted in, so a renegotiation was going to happen in any case. I don't feel like a second class citizen. Delta and United have had time to get their synergies paying off and now they have new contracts. I don't have a problem one stepping to an average to their contracts. I've heard a lot of misinformation around the line. There were a lot of answers in the NAC presentation and the APA reps added their insight as well. There is usually an answer for most things...you just have to ask. Driver...
You don't feel like a second class citizen? OK then, I'll ask just one question for starters: Where's YOUR 100K signing bonus that the APA people are set to receive?
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After a near total shutdown of communications between the company and USAPA during the Cleary presidency, I imagine there was some work to be done getting them opened back up. I applaud Gary and the work he's done. He got a dialog going again and immediately got something in return...two pilots, terminated for the Distance Learning debacle, got their jobs back. I suppose some of you enjoyed the $hitstorm we had going between the company and the pilot group, but a lot of us didn't.
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Wayne saw a trend here.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130123/BIZ/301230391/Union-membership-falls-70-year-low?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE
Good going on his part and I'll loudly applaud him for that then. What a ridiculous mess that distance learning business had been. On the other hand; that people would ever be fired over such BS speaks volumes as to management's tender concerns for employees here. Such certainly aren't the sorts I wish to see further empowered by even the slightest bit of less-than-ironclad contractual language.
Imo the US pilots can and should do better than take what's currently presented. Having said that; it's incumbent on each individual to decide and I'll not arrogantly presume on anyone's choices here. It's not-so-much my future at stake, but yours.
Piedmont1984
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My reservations about this MOU, having attended the roadshow and read the MOU several times, in very general terms (which keeps it simple) is that we place ourselves in a subordinate position relative to our prospective co-workers in the APA.
I don't wish to be greedy or unrealistic, but equal treatment in this merger should have been an absolute minimal threshold of acceptability. It is a goal both reasonable and achievable.
Maybe the union should have told the other parties 'we've been kept waiting and in the dark, so forget about a cram session over the holidays. Let's sit down and talk in January'. Then they should have hung up the phone.
I don't wish to be greedy or unrealistic, but equal treatment in this merger should have been an absolute minimal threshold of acceptability. It is a goal both reasonable and achievable.
Maybe the union should have told the other parties 'we've been kept waiting and in the dark, so forget about a cram session over the holidays. Let's sit down and talk in January'. Then they should have hung up the phone.
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My equity share in LCC after B2 was two $35 million payments. I got my part. That is what we negotiated and I got my checks. APA negotiated a greater share of a bigger company with larger assets. So be it. Also, the signing bonus WE are getting is payment for the $120 million the company is having to pump into the APA retirement to make it whole so it may be frozen. Our NAC wanted a share of that...and they got it. $40 million in advance, in the form of a signing bonus. Driver...
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Interesting perspective. I didn't get that impression from the roadshow, but I would like to hear what it was that made you feel that way. Maybe I missed something.
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