Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dariencc]

Yeah, see, there union leadership didn't pass when there was an opportunity to freeze their retirement like ours did. We got a share of the pension expense. "We" did this to ourselves with $hity, greedy union leadership that made sure they got theirs before they left. The really amazing part is that some of our pilot group still idolize those idiots like folk heros.

And you are exhibit A of the the Pollock/Marshall/Lance supporters who sat passively while our Alpa braintrust allowed Towers Perrin, State Street, Wachovia and a host of others swindle us out of our pension. Oh, wait. We had an R & I committee whose job it was to monitor those shysters, didn't we?

Well, lookie here. Below is an example of the high powered intellect of the Pollock loyalist who was the appointed chairman of that committee. Thousands of families depending on that fund, and this is our point man. Makes you proud, doesn't it?

<<<The piedmont pilots did indeed strike over the 3rd man on the 737

even though the DC-9 was flying at several other AIR LINES

with a 2 man crew. it was 1969 about the time the first man landed

on the moon.The piedmont pilots settled with the 3rd man on board

with the same total crew cost I think.

latter I thank it was Hawaiian flew the 737 with a 2 man crew and

the piedmont pilots singed a contract with the company for a

2 man crew.It's interesting that I was told that National at the

time did not sign the contract as they always had.

the old DC-3 guy's I flew with from piedmont told me this story.

Some of our guy's are 2nd generation here so if this is not the way it

went down feel free to correct me.And by the way I still miss

flying with some of these guy's>>>


God God, we never had a chance against those banksters.

 

[Phoenix]

I attended the meeting yesterday and encourage others to do the same. First off, it is so easy to strike out at our union and those whom work hard within it. So I'd like ot begin by simply recognise the massive amount of hard work put forth by those involved and simply thank them for there efforts. That is the very least each of us can do, and we should.

Does the flight deck and cabin crew deserve a hearty, boisterous applause from the passengers when the flight has reached cruise altitude?

I am disappointed that the union officers are casting out accolades to the NAC as if their work of negotiations is finished, and they are now doing a victory lap as they make their way to a blissful retirement to Valhalla.

The captains job isn't done until the plane is safely at the gate, but we have officers acting like we should be chipping in already to buy the third round at the bar.

Oh, excuse me. "Oooooh, aaaaahhhhh, wow."

 

[end_of_alpa]

A two year old post from Ted Reed. Some east pilots are beginning to see that Ted Reed has no credibility.

Things sure have changed since then.

Parker told you two years ago CoC was worthless. Parker also told you that Us Airways would have gone out of business without the merger. Why don't you believe him?

You're missing the point.

The COC language was a concern for him then and now. He wasn't speaking of that language about our merger, he was addressing the language for the next merger, if any. The COC language he was addressing was the value it was to the pilots.

The point here being made was it was an impediment then, so will it be as much now if the MOU is not voted in?

Noboby can really say for sure.

 

[Phoenix]

. The east pilots intentionally placed west pilots in a subordinate position.

Well you are the only one out west with credibility enough to say that, because you we're so righteous you refused to accept profit sharing checks and you sent your extra pay difference in to USAPA as a testimony against those superior condescending pukes.

 

[700UW]

Your america west flight attendants have not had a contract since 1999, your west pilots last contract was 2004 when doug wanted a merger with US Airways. AMR CAL UAL have not had a contract since 2004. Your PHX based regional pilot attitude is the problem oh supermen legend in your own mind.

I guess you dont even know how the RLA works, if they have no contract why is the company abiding by the contract and its terms?

Let me give you a little hint CBAs under the RLA dont expire, they become amendable and both sides have to abide by the status quo.

Dont let the facts get in the way.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Cry me a river. You are worried because that is exactly how usapa has treated the west pilots. usapa never treated the west pilots equally. The east pilots intentionally placed west pilots in a subordinate position.

Karma is a ####.

DOH isn't subordination. Rather, expecting newhires to go ahead of company veterans is a form of insubordination.

 

[nycbusdriver]

At a time when this CLT rep should be asking questions and participating in the debate on the facets of this agreement, he is out in the hall, spewing BS to anyone that will listen.

Ah, I get it. You want Crimi in on the debate, but ONLY if he agrees with your point of view. Otherwise, he should shut up.

 

[fatherabraham]

DOH isn't subordination. Rather, expecting newhires to go ahead of company veterans is a form of insubordination.

K,

Some Damn good post from you today !

FA

 

[nycbusdriver]

CoC can be gotten around.

Says who? Parker? Kirby? Why do they, and the AA UCC, need us to waive CoC for the MOU then?

You're falling for management deception like we (as a group) have done so many times before.

I learned the lesson of management Kool-aid long ago. Some, though, insist on returning for more lashes with the whip: "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"

 

[nycbusdriver]

"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid"...............John Wayne

You should take that to heart.

 

[EastUS1]

Cry me a river.

It would be foolhardy to ever even attempt to compete with you in any such endeavor. You've already filled entire, posted oceans with your whining and tears, of which this, your latest, is but another drop in the bucket.

In case you truly are too hopelessly stupid to be even marginally aware of any/all surrounding events: What's taking place here will effect you personally to no small degree.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Crimi is nuts. Period. By far the worst of the three.

Wow! An endorsement like that from you should raise Crimi's credibility by leaps and bounds.

Although I am not CLT based, you've probably given him more supporters from those who are based there.

If the west assholes (like you) can't stand Crimi, he must be doing something right.

Thank you!

 

[EastUS1]

Says who? Parker? Kirby? Why do they, and the AA UCC, need us to waive CoC for the MOU then?

You're falling for management deception like we (as a group) have done so many times before.

I learned the lesson of management Kool-aid long ago. Some, though, insist on returning for more lashes with the whip: "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"

Yep...smells like old times here in that regard.

 

[fatherabraham]

Says who? Parker? Kirby? Why do they, and the AA UCC, need us to waive CoC for the MOU then?

You're falling for management deception like we (as a group) have done so many times before.

I learned the lesson of management Kool-aid long ago. Some, though, insist on returning for more lashes with the whip: "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"

NYC,

As you say.........even a loss on our part would be many moons down the road and 3 of our opponents clearly don't want COC to muddy up their self serving scenario of placing large sums of $ in their pockets ASAP < running for the exits.
This if by far the easiest CALL ( poker verbiage ) to make.

FA

 

[luvthe9]

[background=transparent]USAirways pilots: take a deep breath and wind your watches. We are officially in the red![/background]

I can&rsquo;t help but draw comparisons to our Volant model with the vote on the MOU. Ladies and gentlemen, I understand the frustration of living under bankruptcy contracts and wages for over a decade. But realize that the company has used every possible weapon in their arsenal against us to continually delay our negotiations to keep us from attaining an industry standard contract. As a result of these efforts, they have managed our expectations downward so, when an offer--any offer-- is laid before us, it&rsquo;s going to look good. But think logically on this: When have they ever negotiated in good faith with us? Why should we start trusting them now, especially with signing what amounts to nothing more than a blank check while waiving critical contractual protections? Look what they&rsquo;ve done here: totally blew us off and performed an end run around to the AA pilots. We are being set up to go into a merger with a bankrupt airline without our own contract in place. Has it escaped anyone that the AA MOU has much better provisions in it for a bankrupt carrier than our own MOU from an airline that just posted record profits! And these financial gains are not due to the managerial prowess of Team Tempe. It&rsquo;s a direct result of the enormous sacrifices of the employees, particularly the pilot group. But where is the pay back in the MOU for this? $40 million on a $6+ billion investment? That's just recycled MOU 1.0 and I consider it an insult. The vague language contained in the MOU is a recipe for disaster, especially with the company lawyers who get paid well to ensure any and all loopholes are exploited. And what about one of the most important items going forward--seniority? Are you willing to go into a merger with 2000 West and 10,000 AA pilots waiting to pick that fruit from the East tree? Look at the history of how seniority played out with AA merger partners in the past. Not a pretty picture. Do yourselves a favor and look past the dollar signs on the posted pay scales (are they really industry standard anyway?) and read the fine print in this MOU. Dig deeper than just looking at the pretty pictures and positive spin in the "Flight Plan to a Merger sales brochure&rdquo; that Captain Rick LaMontagne so aptly describes. The company wants something from us that they can&rsquo;t have without us giving it to them. Don&rsquo;t vote to screw yourselves like we did with our pension! This will likely be the last contract for many of us. The fact that there might be a merger shouldn&rsquo;t be part of the equation: the UCC is in the driver&rsquo;s seat on that. The company is doing exactly what check airmen do in the CQT: task load you, add lots of attention diversions, and then give artificial time constraints in an attempt to lead you into the red. Do what you as professional pilots need to do to get back into the green by voting NO on this MOU! ​

Most everyone is catching on!!!!!!!!!!​