luvthe9
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luvthe9
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Men,
I have always voted "Yes," for all the previous contracts, .....this in 27 years..
After, now 27 years, .....I think I have had enough.
I have had a few emails with Steve Crimini. The real word is that he, and his four other board members may have sent out this unanimous support for the deal, but really, he, and they, are personally voting "No."
Are we in a position to know more, to hope for more?
At this point, I am ready, and already have, voted the big "No" on this one. I really don't know how it could make things any worse, and perhaps, at best, it could send a message to the smug powers that be, that, all is not well.
That 190 pay, and the percentage of planes potentially flying, and the fact that we wait with only current wages in arrears, while American enjoys.....enough. I have been a second class citizen too long.
We really are, and have been, just a nuisance to Doug on his quest for the big leagues. Ok. I probably can't do much, but I certainly am not about to throw all the previously purchased contract items out for this offer. I am voting No. Improve it, or approve it, I am not going to be a party to this, another huge giveback. Change of control is before us, pay us for the consequence, just as we did in previous negotiations.
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My father always used to talk about the "green eyed monster." If you don't each see that beast before you now, you're are not paying attention. Something more is not always something more. History is one course that has been so expensive to take and understand.
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At this point, I have to think a "No" vote cannot really hurt us, and given the time constraints, how could it be worse for us?[/background][background=transparent]
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Not in keeping with the flow to predictability, and inevitability perhaps, but, I vote "No." I have had enough. I am voting NO, regardless of what that means. Enough is enough, at some point, you have to take a stand. I am there. Doug can whistle Dixie, wring his hands, and talk to his old MBA buddies until the cows come home. What part of "Forgetabout it," don't you understand?[/background]
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Another good opinion, anyone seeing a pattern here?
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I have always voted "Yes," for all the previous contracts, .....this in 27 years..
After, now 27 years, .....I think I have had enough.
I have had a few emails with Steve Crimini. The real word is that he, and his four other board members may have sent out this unanimous support for the deal, but really, he, and they, are personally voting "No."
Are we in a position to know more, to hope for more?
At this point, I am ready, and already have, voted the big "No" on this one. I really don't know how it could make things any worse, and perhaps, at best, it could send a message to the smug powers that be, that, all is not well.
That 190 pay, and the percentage of planes potentially flying, and the fact that we wait with only current wages in arrears, while American enjoys.....enough. I have been a second class citizen too long.
We really are, and have been, just a nuisance to Doug on his quest for the big leagues. Ok. I probably can't do much, but I certainly am not about to throw all the previously purchased contract items out for this offer. I am voting No. Improve it, or approve it, I am not going to be a party to this, another huge giveback. Change of control is before us, pay us for the consequence, just as we did in previous negotiations.
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My father always used to talk about the "green eyed monster." If you don't each see that beast before you now, you're are not paying attention. Something more is not always something more. History is one course that has been so expensive to take and understand.
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At this point, I have to think a "No" vote cannot really hurt us, and given the time constraints, how could it be worse for us?[/background][background=transparent]
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Not in keeping with the flow to predictability, and inevitability perhaps, but, I vote "No." I have had enough. I am voting NO, regardless of what that means. Enough is enough, at some point, you have to take a stand. I am there. Doug can whistle Dixie, wring his hands, and talk to his old MBA buddies until the cows come home. What part of "Forgetabout it," don't you understand?[/background]
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Another good opinion, anyone seeing a pattern here?
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A320 Driver
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I wondered where you were getting your intel. Now I find it's Crimi. I should have known. Your credibility is now at an all time low. I saw Crimi yesterday. He was busily sowing discord to anyone who would listen...Hummel did this and Hummel did that. It makes me want to throw up. At a time when this CLT rep should be asking questions and participating in the debate on the facets of this agreement, he is out in the hall, spewing BS to anyone that will listen. You two are cut from the same mold. You type post after post about everything you perceive is wrong with this MOU and you haven't even been to a presentation. Driver...
A320 Driver
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LOL!!! Yeah...Crimi is your hero.
Walmartgreeter
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Luvthe9 just posted: "Men,
I have always voted "Yes," for all the previous contracts, .....this in 27 years..
After, now 27 years, .....I think I have had enough.
I have had a few emails with Steve Crimini. The real word is that he, and his four other board members may have sent out this unanimous support for the deal, but really, he, and they, are personally voting "No."
Are we in a position to know more, to hope for more?
At this point, I am ready, and already have, voted the big "No" on this one. I really don't know how it could make things any worse, and perhaps, at best, it could send a message to the smug powers that be, that, all is not well.
That 190 pay, and the percentage of planes potentially flying, and the fact that we wait with only current wages in arrears, while American enjoys.....enough. I have been a second class citizen too long.
We really are, and have been, just a nuisance to Doug on his quest for the big leagues. Ok. I probably can't do much, but I certainly am not about to throw all the previously purchased contract items out for this offer. I am voting No. Improve it, or approve it, I am not going to be a party to this, another huge giveback. Change of control is before us, pay us for the consequence, just as we did in previous negotiations.
My father always used to talk about the "green eyed monster." If you don't each see that beast before you now, you're are not paying attention. Something more is not always something more. History is one course that has been so expensive to take and understand.
At this point, I have to think a "No" vote cannot really hurt us, and given the time constraints, how could it be worse for us?
Not in keeping with the flow to predictability, and inevitability perhaps, but, I vote "No." I have had enough. I am voting NO, regardless of what that means. Enough is enough, at some point, you have to take a stand. I am there. Doug can whistle Dixie, wring his hands, and talk to his old MBA buddies until the cows come home. What part of "Forgetabout it," don't you understand?
Another good opinion, anyone seeing a pattern here?"
So Luv, whose opinion are your posting? No name and full of lies. Must be yours.
First, I take offence at your continued inclusion of any seniority issues in current politics. Hummel (my friend and fellow pilot of 33 years)l, myself, the founder Bradford, and even the CLT reps are ALL on the same page in that area. The ENTIRE BPR missed the boat on the original MOU. That is a story I can only tell long after the fact. But please. Stop with the lies. All of us support DOH with conditions and restrictions. What is wrong with you that you are so politically desperate you would accuse any of us as wavering on that issue? It speaks to your weak character?
The BPR made a promise to the UCC. Any member publically backtracking on that promise puts all of us collectively at risk. Just like DeWitt threatening to violate the NDA. This is big boy stuff. Go to jail stuff, possibly in a billion dollar transaction. I am told Crimi just had to come clean, as his immaturity and lack of understanding of big boy transactions put him, all of us, and even his family at risk. The leash was tightened, he complied. He needs to be recalled. What a train wreck.
McKee handpicked Roland, Pat, and Brian. He did a GOOD job. But now you all call them liars and thieves, just like you did Seham, the guy that got us where we are. What is wrong with you? The ONLY Officer, BPR member, or Appeal Board member (to the best of my recollection) that held ANY elected position in ALPA was McKee. Go figure. Trust the guys you elected, they all 11 told you this MOU was good for you. All the legal staff, McKee's picks, told you the same. And all four Officers (not one an ALPA "crony") tells you the same.
Vote with your heart, in the interest of your family. But stop with the lies. Please.
Greeter
I have always voted "Yes," for all the previous contracts, .....this in 27 years..
After, now 27 years, .....I think I have had enough.
I have had a few emails with Steve Crimini. The real word is that he, and his four other board members may have sent out this unanimous support for the deal, but really, he, and they, are personally voting "No."
Are we in a position to know more, to hope for more?
At this point, I am ready, and already have, voted the big "No" on this one. I really don't know how it could make things any worse, and perhaps, at best, it could send a message to the smug powers that be, that, all is not well.
That 190 pay, and the percentage of planes potentially flying, and the fact that we wait with only current wages in arrears, while American enjoys.....enough. I have been a second class citizen too long.
We really are, and have been, just a nuisance to Doug on his quest for the big leagues. Ok. I probably can't do much, but I certainly am not about to throw all the previously purchased contract items out for this offer. I am voting No. Improve it, or approve it, I am not going to be a party to this, another huge giveback. Change of control is before us, pay us for the consequence, just as we did in previous negotiations.
My father always used to talk about the "green eyed monster." If you don't each see that beast before you now, you're are not paying attention. Something more is not always something more. History is one course that has been so expensive to take and understand.
At this point, I have to think a "No" vote cannot really hurt us, and given the time constraints, how could it be worse for us?
Not in keeping with the flow to predictability, and inevitability perhaps, but, I vote "No." I have had enough. I am voting NO, regardless of what that means. Enough is enough, at some point, you have to take a stand. I am there. Doug can whistle Dixie, wring his hands, and talk to his old MBA buddies until the cows come home. What part of "Forgetabout it," don't you understand?
Another good opinion, anyone seeing a pattern here?"
So Luv, whose opinion are your posting? No name and full of lies. Must be yours.
First, I take offence at your continued inclusion of any seniority issues in current politics. Hummel (my friend and fellow pilot of 33 years)l, myself, the founder Bradford, and even the CLT reps are ALL on the same page in that area. The ENTIRE BPR missed the boat on the original MOU. That is a story I can only tell long after the fact. But please. Stop with the lies. All of us support DOH with conditions and restrictions. What is wrong with you that you are so politically desperate you would accuse any of us as wavering on that issue? It speaks to your weak character?
The BPR made a promise to the UCC. Any member publically backtracking on that promise puts all of us collectively at risk. Just like DeWitt threatening to violate the NDA. This is big boy stuff. Go to jail stuff, possibly in a billion dollar transaction. I am told Crimi just had to come clean, as his immaturity and lack of understanding of big boy transactions put him, all of us, and even his family at risk. The leash was tightened, he complied. He needs to be recalled. What a train wreck.
McKee handpicked Roland, Pat, and Brian. He did a GOOD job. But now you all call them liars and thieves, just like you did Seham, the guy that got us where we are. What is wrong with you? The ONLY Officer, BPR member, or Appeal Board member (to the best of my recollection) that held ANY elected position in ALPA was McKee. Go figure. Trust the guys you elected, they all 11 told you this MOU was good for you. All the legal staff, McKee's picks, told you the same. And all four Officers (not one an ALPA "crony") tells you the same.
Vote with your heart, in the interest of your family. But stop with the lies. Please.
Greeter
Luv,
You really should attend a roadshow. You have legitimate concerns and questions that could be answered by the people that wrote the MOU.
After that, if you still think a no vote is right for you, then go right ahead and vote no. Make sure you understand what we get without being part of the MOU as much as what we get by being part of the MOU.
My hope is that all pilots that are getting their information from these road shows and not from web boards, crew rooms, cockpits and third parties that think they know what's what.
You really should attend a roadshow. You have legitimate concerns and questions that could be answered by the people that wrote the MOU.
After that, if you still think a no vote is right for you, then go right ahead and vote no. Make sure you understand what we get without being part of the MOU as much as what we get by being part of the MOU.
My hope is that all pilots that are getting their information from these road shows and not from web boards, crew rooms, cockpits and third parties that think they know what's what.
Hate2fly
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Luvthe9,
Great stuff! You have the bedwetters really coming unglued. The officers and the the 6 west BPR members (Stein/Dugstad/Weidner) have it all figured out with Team Tempe. Must be those mid western values they are so proud of.
Hate voted NO
Great stuff! You have the bedwetters really coming unglued. The officers and the the 6 west BPR members (Stein/Dugstad/Weidner) have it all figured out with Team Tempe. Must be those mid western values they are so proud of.
Hate voted NO
Walmartgreeter
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Of course he did. But let the record show ALL 11 BPR members support the MOU, not just 6. You lie just like Luv. All of the McKee supported legal staff says vote yes, and all of the Officers. Who, by the way, is from the "midwest?"Greeter
crazystnic
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you are making no sense, but that is not a surprise.
crazystnic
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your credibity is not much better. You were peeing your panties for us to vote yes on the first one as well.
Beancounter
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Yes, there are things I don't like about this. For one example, unlimited Alaska codeshare. What the %&$*? We however are in a bad position. The east is on LOA93, the west is stagnant, and our union is parked with an injunction on it. CoC can be gotten around. What will a no vote do? I would say with 99% certainty it will lead to us being parked in the corner on our current contracts and the end result will be the same. I wish Luv were right and that we had leverage, but we don't. Even if we could effect the merger, what would be the threat? Give us what we want or we'll $%#$ up the merger and the only chance we will have at getting a decent contract? I hope the east posters on here are voting no becuase they feel we can get more and not because they are afraid this will kill DOH.
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Walmartgreeter
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Wow Bean. Simply outstanding.Greeter
Phoenix
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If this thing goes through on the first pilot vote (and who believes the pilot group could collectivly say no, having never understood the hidden shortfalls in company proposals, or much less ever before demanded any better company proposal) the real losers will be the American pilots who will suffer a union culture transformation to a more kind, gentle, and compassionate symbiosis.
I think we might be surprised at the number of pilots that won't even bother to vote. DUI has taken advantage for years, has record profits in USAir history, largely due to labor agreeing to concessions for profit, and our union doesn't bother to point out the weaknesses in this MOU, as if DUI has changed his spots. There will be some apathy.
I think we might be surprised at the number of pilots that won't even bother to vote. DUI has taken advantage for years, has record profits in USAir history, largely due to labor agreeing to concessions for profit, and our union doesn't bother to point out the weaknesses in this MOU, as if DUI has changed his spots. There will be some apathy.
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"Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid"...............John Wayne
cactusboy53
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Dude,
Pull you head out of your backside. C2004 was when we got a new contract (that would be the FIRST post- 9/11 "Major Airline" contract).. It was amendable AFTER America West Holdings ACQUIRED the former US Air.
Hey! Did you know that America West Airlines was the ONLY airline that made it to the "major" classification without MERGING with another airline (let alone a broke-down, scum-sucking, dirt-bag, double-dealing operation).
Please stop being so Claxonian. Better yet go AWA (get it? GO AWAY).
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