Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fatherabraham]

d. During the McCaskill-Bond process, including any arbitration proceeding, US Airways, American or New American Airlines, or their successors (if any), shall remain neutral regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list, but such neutrality shall not prevent said carriers from insuring that the award complies with the criteria in Paragraph 10(i)-(v).

g. This Memorandum is not a waiver of any argument that participants may make in the seniority integration process. Nor do the provisions of this Memorandum constitute an admission as to the appropriate allocation of flying following the expiration of the protections in Paragraph 8 of this Memorandum, or the manner in which the respective pre-merger carriers would have operated in the absence of a merger, or the job entitlements or equities that arguably underlie the construction of an integrated seniority list, or for any other purpose. This Memorandum may be offered into evidence or shown to a mediator as background information and to describe the actual operations of the separate carriers prior to expiration of the protections in Paragraph 8 of this Memorandum.

h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

d. During the McCaskill-Bond process, including any arbitration proceeding, US Airways, American or New American Airlines, or their successors (if any), shall remain neutral regarding the order in which pilots are placed on the integrated seniority list, but such neutrality shall not prevent said carriers from insuring that the award complies with the criteria in Paragraph 10(i)-(v).

g. This Memorandum is not a waiver of any argument that participants may make in the seniority integration process. Nor do the provisions of this Memorandum constitute an admission as to the appropriate allocation of flying following the expiration of the protections in Paragraph 8 of this Memorandum, or the manner in which the respective pre-merger carriers would have operated in the absence of a merger, or the job entitlements or equities that arguably underlie the construction of an integrated seniority list, or for any other purpose. This Memorandum may be offered into evidence or shown to a mediator as background information and to describe the actual operations of the separate carriers prior to expiration of the protections in Paragraph 8 of this Memorandum.

h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in this Paragraph 10.

Thanks for the summary. Key word in the last bullet point (h)....."listS"Greeter

 

[Crzipilot]

Thanks to you and others for the updates. Much appreciated. I will also be glad to get rid of protecting EVERY weekend day as a blockholder. Also heard there MIGHT be the ability to pick up trips for "extra" pay for reserves on days off. Anyone ask about that? As to Roland, he is very soft spoken. Comes across much better with some amplification. I have seen him "let loose" and when he does his 40 years of experience comes through loud and clear. But that is your perception, thanks for your thoughts. Greeter

It's in the APA contract, fly on days off and it goes over guarantee, Does not count towards calling out of time.....something like that. So yes, could be easy money if live in base..etc...

 

[Phoenix]

10 b. The panel of arbitrators may not render an award unless it complies with all of the following criteria: i) the list does not require any active pilot to displace any other active pilot from the latter's position,.....


Sounds a lot like a relative merge across all categories and all positions at all three pilot groups, in order to comply with that... Nic sure wouldn't be able to meet that requirement, without a 20 year fence containing PHX... DOH wouldn't comply without a 7 year fence containing CLT, PHL, DCA...

Hmmm.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

It's in the APA contract, fly on days off and it goes over guarantee, Does not count towards calling out of time.....something like that. So yes, could be easy money if live in base..etc...

Thank you Crzi. Nice to have someone else "execute and confirm."Best,Greeter

 

[fatherabraham]

William Shakespeare actually wrote "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
The quote is used to describe corruption or a situation in which something is very wrong. There's a reason Marcellus says "the state of Denmark" rather than just Denmark. It's the idea of the fish is rotting from the head down. In other words, all is not well at the top of the political hierarchy. After Hamlet hears the ghost's frightening story, the young prince realizes just how rotten things really are in Denmark.


1-Last 250 post overwhelmingly dominated by Easties contrary to past history
2-Only the ever present DcPoser & DC for recent regulars with a small bit of wit from Potlydum/Metro?/curious George
3- is U-Haul packing the trailor? Perhaps he hooked up with FODA SE
4- seems the phx attendees have been silenced starting with the hand picked hummer boys
5- symanski seems to be having issues discussing Nic in direct questioning from those who put supper on his table

FA

 

[Beancounter]

William Shakespeare actually wrote "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
The quote is used to describe corruption or a situation in which something is very wrong. There's a reason Marcellus says "the state of Denmark" rather than just Denmark. It's the idea of the fish is rotting from the head down. In other words, all is not well at the top of the political hierarchy. After Hamlet hears the ghost's frightening story, the young prince realizes just how rotten things really are in Denmark.


1-Last 250 post overwhelmingly dominated by Easties contrary to past history
2-Only the ever present DcPoser & DC for recent regulars with a small bit of wit from Potlydum/Metro?/curious George
3- is U-Haul packing the trailor? Perhaps he hooked up with FODA SE
4- seems the phx attendees have been silenced starting with the hand picked hummer boys
5- symanski seems to be having issues discussing Nic in direct questioning from those who put supper on his table

FA

I can only speak for myself. Posting off and on because:

• Watching 6 little kids
• Writing letters of recomendation for pilots (shocked, I've never had people want to get hired here)
• Counting beans
• FAA stuff

Bean

P.S. Just recieved my merger flight plan booklet from USAPA. I thought they actually did an OK job. Hmmmmmmm, did I just say that?

 

[Walmartgreeter]

William Shakespeare actually wrote "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."
The quote is used to describe corruption or a situation in which something is very wrong. There's a reason Marcellus says "the state of Denmark" rather than just Denmark. It's the idea of the fish is rotting from the head down. In other words, all is not well at the top of the political hierarchy. After Hamlet hears the ghost's frightening story, the young prince realizes just how rotten things really are in Denmark.


1-Last 250 post overwhelmingly dominated by Easties contrary to past history
2-Only the ever present DcPoser & DC for recent regulars with a small bit of wit from Potlydum/Metro?/curious George
3- is U-Haul packing the trailor? Perhaps he hooked up with FODA SE
4- seems the phx attendees have been silenced starting with the hand picked hummer boys
5- symanski seems to be having issues discussing Nic in direct questioning from those who put supper on his table

FA

The only rotting fish heads are the malcontents like yourself that have limited our gains. Web board postings have nothing to do with our futures. ELECTED positions do, thus the success, soon to be an 80%+ vote on the MOU brought to you by the "Hummel" crowd. Postings here, union communicatons, CCC....none of that matters in the end. Prepare to be boarded.Greeter.

 

[fatherabraham]

The only rotting fish heads are the malcontents like yourself that have limited our gains.

Prepare to be boarded.Greeter.

MK,

Dude, what's up with 2 recent jabs at me ? I asked via PM but you avoided reply.
Actually doing my best NOT to be " boarded " . Is that the way you lean? NOT that there's anything wrong with that

FA

 

[Piedmont1984]

The only rotting fish heads are the malcontents like yourself that have limited our gains. Web board postings have nothing to do with our futures. ELECTED positions do, thus the success, soon to be an 80%+ vote on the MOU brought to you by the "Hummel" crowd. Postings here, union communicatons, CCC....none of that matters in the end. Prepare to be boarded.Greeter.

We're all malcontents to one extent or another, yourself included. Otherwise we would all be ALPA still and singing praises for LOA 93, since it made the company so profitable. We have a rich tradition, although not a profitable one, of being malcontents. The only distinction is the pariticular flavor of your dissatisfaction.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I have read here as many post valid questions about the new MOU, and have enjoyed the give and take as others attempt answers. But the malcontents, who will NEVER meet an agreement that meets their armchair standards, continue to focus on the individuals that brought the agreement to them. I will stick with the ones I came to the dance with. The digs at Dean, Gary, and the quality of work done by our NAC are noted. The vote will tell the tale.

Greeter

 

[fatherabraham]

P.S. Just recieved my merger flight plan booklet from USAPA. I thought they actually did an OK job. Hmmmmmmm, did I just say that?

Bean,

Good to see ya back. Last of my rug rats gone soon and ready for the break

Yup, you said it!

My " malcontent " thoughts:
1- typical nice shiny package to divert attention
2-why not an inexpensive sheet of paper with actual mou and ALL the pros/cons listed below
3-dc increase
4-PBS
5-reserve short call guarantee decrease
6-vague reserve callout time
7-lTD reduction
8- COC sold very cheap
9-10G/USAPA
10-potential pay loss prior to promise of retro pay
11-big reduction in company paid life insurance

FA

 

[EastUS1]

5- symanski seems to be having issues discussing Nic in direct questioning from those who put supper on his table

FA

How so? Please expand a bit on that FA. I've not seen any road shows and must defer to those that've had the chance to do so to bring out the Q & A details. Another poster noted that a DOH position would be submitted by usapa....?

 

[fatherabraham]

How so? Please expand a bit on that FA. I've not seen any road shows and must defer to those that've had the chance to do so to bring out the Q & A details. Another poster noted that a DOH position would be submitted by usapa....?

East,

Was purposely vague as only have 2nd hand info to go on.
Will have to leave it at that for now.
Just going off other(s) notes from clt meeting.

FA

 

[cactusboy53]

We're all malcontents to one extent or another, yourself included. Otherwise we would all be ALPA still and singing praises for LOA 93, since it made the company so profitable. We have a rich tradition, although not a profitable one, of being malcontents. The only distinction is the particular flavor of your dissatisfaction.

Actually had ALPA remained the collective bargaining agent and you accepted the Nicolau as the seniority list, we would had completed our first post merger contract in early 2008 garnering the West pilots with a 10-11% increase in wage. The East pilots would have achieved an increase closer to 25-25%.

Not withstanding a SECOND post merger contract, that means LOA93 would now be a distant painful event in your financial history.

Just sayin'...