It sounds like your USAPA union decides how a payout is divided. The East pilots should be given the money to offset the wage disparity over the last few years. The East pilots helped the west get a pension and profit sharing. The west fought against parity.
Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion
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luvthe9
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Not to the SLI you are putting words in my mouth.
No we didn't. Now quit being a polarizing fool.
Metroyet
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Steal money from the West....what a novel idea....never saw that one coming. Too bad your union already said it would be shared equally among all eligable members. Give away Gary strikes again!!! LOL!
cactusboy53
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Really? Agreed upon by ?
Actually, I don't really care where negotiations start, only where they end.
Bottom line is they will end with either the Nic used for LCC pilots, or a result that is no different than had the Nic been used.
traderjake
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nevergiveup
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If you say so.
A320 Driver
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Freshwater, Brookman, THEN Mowery.
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Then do us all a favor and leave. You're not wanted or needed. You don't matter.
Ah!...Another "bulletproof-nothing-could-possibly-ever-happen-to-me-'cause-I'm-just-TOO good and TOO special!" AWA "Ace" speaks!Several of the greatest fighter Aces in American history died in flying mishaps, as did the first man in space (who was also, doubtless selected for his duties with far less credentials than AWA always demanded)...Gerhard Barkhorn of the Luftwaffe, with a "mere" 301 kills, lost his life in just a wintertime auto accident, but no matter = Afer all...you're AWA!
Your and Metro/Move2clt/etc's type are a constant source of head-shaking, unbelievable amazement...and wry amusement at your incredible innocence. I wish you all the best of luck aloft....You'll need it (and who knows?...may have only existed to date based largely on it) especially while burdened with that kind of mindless arrogance.
Always pay attention up there. KLM's top check airman died in the worst commercial aviation accident in history. Sigh! I'll just leave this all with a fictional character's observation, one with far more wisdom than you two "real" umm.."pilots" exhibit = "Life is like a box of chocolates...You never know what you're gonna' get"
GROW UP! If not for your own sakes, for your passengers.
Gee. Now that you're sober and out of the looney bin you post nothing but "fighter aces" references. Get over yourself.
Really? I don't see it. That's like saying Boeingboy sounds like Claxon. By the way, where is Boeingboy?
On that note, and in all seriousness, I thought the usapa breakdown of the MOU with comparisons to east and west contracts was a good read. Well done.
luvthe9
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January 17, 2013
Fellow Pilots,
The recall attempt is underway by diehard ALPA supporters - those who brought you the never-ending LOA 93 debacle, the termination of your pensions, and who would have given away your seniority long ago if allowed. They are all members of Chip Munn’s Forum, and will undoubtedly be assaulting you with a litany of “evils” we have committed as examples justifying our recall. Please recognize it is all a smokescreen with the intent to confuse the issue(s). The recall has one catalyst and one alone: The August 21st 10-0-1 vote by the BPR to recommend the membership “disapprove” the first MOU.
We had been hounded via emails from this group for weeks leading up to the BPR vote, with their demands – and accompanying insults – that we vote “yes” on just anything that the company sent our NAC’s way. When the 10-0-1 vote was communicated to all pilots, Chip’s group was outraged and along with their demands to “change our recommendation”, they threatened us with a recall campaign. It’s as simple as that. Keep in mind that although we voted unanimously to recommend you “disapprove” the MOU, we still voted to send it to you for a ratification vote, allowing the pilots the final decision.
These pilots stand firmly on their long tradition of making poor decisions based on fear and uncertainty. Approaching the BPR’s vote, they had worked themselves into a frenzy, convinced that if the BPR showed any fortitude and common sense, all would be lost and we would be forever left behind. They told us that:
The pilots behind the recall were wrong…dead wrong. Had we been influenced by their intimidations, we would have missed securing several significant improvements for our pilots. Frankly, we are more than a little surprised that they continued with their recall attempt considering just how off the mark they were. But that’s democracy we suppose.
We do want to give credit where credit is due. We are aware that the members of Chip’s group are circulating the notion that they were influential in shaping the outcome of negotiations. We agree; they certainly did influence the outcome, and the damage they’ve done is incalculable. By their actions they helped assure that a tremendous amount of cash, including retroactive pay and considerable protections were not captured for our pilots. That’s the unfortunate truth.
Going forward we still have a very significant issue to navigate – seniority. If you would like solid advocacy at the Board level protecting your seniority, we ask you to please log on to https://www.BallotPoint.com/USAPA/ and vote against the recall of all three of your Domicile Representatives.
And finally, the Secretary-Treasurer is prohibiting us from using the USAPA communications system to defend ourselves and we must pay for each letter, including this one. The cost will be considerable. If you would like to join us in this battle to protect your careers, please consider making a financial contribution through www.PayPal.com Click on the “Transfer” tab at the top of the home page and then click on “send someone money” in the drop down window. From there, the instructions are straight forward. You will be asked for the receiving email address which is [email protected] We would be very grateful for your support.
Sincerely,
Bill McKee, Steve Crimi, and DeWitt Ingram
Fellow Pilots,
The recall attempt is underway by diehard ALPA supporters - those who brought you the never-ending LOA 93 debacle, the termination of your pensions, and who would have given away your seniority long ago if allowed. They are all members of Chip Munn’s Forum, and will undoubtedly be assaulting you with a litany of “evils” we have committed as examples justifying our recall. Please recognize it is all a smokescreen with the intent to confuse the issue(s). The recall has one catalyst and one alone: The August 21st 10-0-1 vote by the BPR to recommend the membership “disapprove” the first MOU.
We had been hounded via emails from this group for weeks leading up to the BPR vote, with their demands – and accompanying insults – that we vote “yes” on just anything that the company sent our NAC’s way. When the 10-0-1 vote was communicated to all pilots, Chip’s group was outraged and along with their demands to “change our recommendation”, they threatened us with a recall campaign. It’s as simple as that. Keep in mind that although we voted unanimously to recommend you “disapprove” the MOU, we still voted to send it to you for a ratification vote, allowing the pilots the final decision.
These pilots stand firmly on their long tradition of making poor decisions based on fear and uncertainty. Approaching the BPR’s vote, they had worked themselves into a frenzy, convinced that if the BPR showed any fortitude and common sense, all would be lost and we would be forever left behind. They told us that:
- The merger “train” would leave the station without us.
- We would not have a “seat at the table” during joint contract negotiations.
- There was nothing else we could possibly gain in negotiations.
- We had no real leverage.
The pilots behind the recall were wrong…dead wrong. Had we been influenced by their intimidations, we would have missed securing several significant improvements for our pilots. Frankly, we are more than a little surprised that they continued with their recall attempt considering just how off the mark they were. But that’s democracy we suppose.
We do want to give credit where credit is due. We are aware that the members of Chip’s group are circulating the notion that they were influential in shaping the outcome of negotiations. We agree; they certainly did influence the outcome, and the damage they’ve done is incalculable. By their actions they helped assure that a tremendous amount of cash, including retroactive pay and considerable protections were not captured for our pilots. That’s the unfortunate truth.
Going forward we still have a very significant issue to navigate – seniority. If you would like solid advocacy at the Board level protecting your seniority, we ask you to please log on to https://www.BallotPoint.com/USAPA/ and vote against the recall of all three of your Domicile Representatives.
And finally, the Secretary-Treasurer is prohibiting us from using the USAPA communications system to defend ourselves and we must pay for each letter, including this one. The cost will be considerable. If you would like to join us in this battle to protect your careers, please consider making a financial contribution through www.PayPal.com Click on the “Transfer” tab at the top of the home page and then click on “send someone money” in the drop down window. From there, the instructions are straight forward. You will be asked for the receiving email address which is [email protected] We would be very grateful for your support.
Sincerely,
Bill McKee, Steve Crimi, and DeWitt Ingram
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