Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dca319]

Hypocrite? JESTERS? The allmighty "OZ" aka DCA319 has migrated as the airlineforums omnisient poster !MM!

Hit the nail on the head with that jester thing.

 

[dca319]

Ah!..So you're entirely supportive of the "bulletproof/accidents-couldn't-ever-even-conceivably-happen-to-MEEE!, AWA "Aces" infantile fantasies? Sigh! See the previously suggested "stray dogs" reference...umm..."Sir"?...Or did you ever even "serve" in so much as the Girl Scouts?..Even the Brownies perhaps? No?..Didn't much think so, as you're not seemingly the type for even that level of harsh "military" experience. I'd gently suggest leaving off the Colonel "salutation" here, as if you had even the slightest respect for any of your coworkers, or apparently anyone's service little princess. Run along back to your "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves"..and, as it goes without saying, accident/mishap-proof "pilots" now. Any 18 year young Private on the Line I've full respect for and proudly salute in these times. You, on the other hand, are a complete and pathetic little "joke"....umm..."sir"

Option #2? = GROW UP. It's never too late for even such as yourself to at least consider doing so.

With as much as you like to write, is there any chance you can make an attempt to better format your posts? They're very painful to read.

 

[luvthe9]

Looked at it and it's a big's a big NO vote, sorry . Dca319 sure seems to be alot like Move2.

 

[dca319]

I don't get Glynn's numbers here:

So, they voted 10 to 1, with 1 west Rep abstaining to send it out to the pilots for a vote. Then they voted unanimously to recommend to the pilots that they vote to reject the MOU.

I thought it was a 10/0/1 vote to send it out with a no recommendation. Does Bill know what he's talking about? He must have misheard McKee's dictation.

 

[dca319]

Looked at it and it's a big's a big NO vote, sorry . Dca319 sure seems to be alot like Move2.

Because why?

 

[EastUS1]

With as much as you like to write, is there any chance you can make an attempt to better format your posts? They're very painful to read.

Anything more than a complete and utterly hopeless village idiot would find them far less "taxing" to "read" and actually understand, but do strive to do your very best there, little princess. In your case?...I'm sure that they're "painfull" regardless though = "Or did you ever even "serve" in so much as the Girl Scouts?..Even the Brownies perhaps? No?..Didn't much think so, as you're not seemingly the type for even that level of harsh "military" experience. I'd gently suggest leaving off the Colonel "salutation" here, as if you had even the slightest respect for any of your coworkers, or apparently anyone's service little princess. Run along back to your "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves"..

I'll leave the issue of ever growing a spine and any connected, even slight semblance of a brain to yourself and God, at His Will....and I'd strongly suggest that you start praying for such a miracle to one-day happen.

BTW: Hey!..You forgot "Colonel", as if any/all military rank's to properly be derisively laughed at by such as your pathetic sort...umm....Is there now even a slight chance that you might, one day, actually grow up? For your sake...I'll hope so...Meanwhile?...Have fun with the "spartans", "knights" and "dire wolves"...and of course.."perfect"...umm..."pilots" bunch.

 

[Crzipilot]

A LUP. To further the pilots career in terms of pay work rules and security.

By agreeing to a mou which states the ta will be void. And a three way agreement for seniority willbe agreed upon via m/b. Let the west sue

 

[luvthe9]

Because why?

It's inadequate in so many ways, I would think a great deal of westies would think so to, even less in it for them.

 

[EastUS1]

By agreeing to a mou which states the ta will be void.

Not having any JD after my name...well...that much does seem evident.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

THE PENSION A HUGE ISSUE, GIVE IT AWAY GARY WANTS IT'S USAPA LITIGATION STOPPED! MM!

Ok. Let us all know how "Gary" has any control over assessments or the ability of the 11 man BPR to do whatever they want? By the way, the pension litigation is a waste of time. We GAVE it away, because of poor choices on the quality of our reps. That is why we now have the first ever USAPA recall ( of all THREE!) in CLT. Bad quality reps. Bad decisions coming if we leave them in.I want the litigation stopped, and all funds to go the to the government affairs committee. I don't even have a vote on the BPR, and only have one vote if polled.Greeter

 

[algflyr]

The MOU talks about Us Airways pilots and american pilots. It does not talk about east and west pilots.

Actually the MOU does... But, if it's true that the ONLY US Airways seniority list will be the NIC, why does the MOU address the East and West seniority lists? When addressing furlough protection in paragraph 11 on pages 7 and 8, it requires the respective unions to provide who is the junior pilot at American, and the junior pilots on the East and West lists... Here is the wording from page 7/8 pertaining to the US Airways side:

"USAPA will provide, by name, East Pilot “X” and West Pilot “Y” who will be the most junior US Airways pilots afforded this furlough protection."

Why would they need two names from one list??

Also notice in that same paragraph (11.B), when talking about American, they want the junior pilot from the "American Airlines’ Pilots System Seniority List". When talking about US Airways (11.a), they want pilots from the "US Airways mainline system"... Why didn't they say seniority list?

The MOU also defines minimum block hours. They define minimums for American, and they also define minimums for the East and West (page 4, paragraph 8.e). I think they recognize there are two separate systems with two separate pilot groups at US Airways...

At any rate, I realize we may all disagree what the true meaning of some of this language really means. I am done with this seniority issue because honestly, whatever is said here really won't impact what will happen. This is my last post on the seniority issue so nobody tries to drag me into a name calling argument...

On another note, a few have asked about the other parts of the MOU and how they relate to better working conditions and pay for all pilots involved. I would like to see this discussion evolve into discussing those terms of this MOU...

 

[high*flyer]

A helpful update from United pilots;

Central Air Safety

The following is from Council 12 (ORD) Safety Committee Chairman Captain Kathi Hurst.

Click Here for a chart with some taxiway changes and designations in ORD.

As you can see in the above link, almost all taxiways at ORD are being re-designated. ORD is in the process of numerous changes in STARs, SIDs and taxiway designation. These changes will be presented in almost every chart revision cycle until Nov of 2013. They will continue again in 2014.

Please use extra vigilance regarding ORD chart changes.

We will try to highlight these changes coming out as we get information. Your Safety Committee and Airport Liaison representative are active in attending ORD monthly runway safety meetings, working with numerous ATC working groups and task groups and working with other domiciles to update you on system wide changes.

As you are well aware, there is a great deal of work to do with many changes and the development and implementation of NEXTGEN.

Remember the taxi instructions ORD used to give : take the stub, to the cargo, to the bridge, then the loop to x-ray to the gate...

 

[EastUS1]

I am done with this seniority issue because honestly, whatever is said here really won't impact what will happen.

Agreed, as something that should be obvious to all. "On another note, a few have asked about the other parts of the MOU and how they relate to better working conditions and pay for all pilots involved. I would like to see this discussion evolve into discussing those terms of this MOU..." = Much more pertinent thoughts at this juncture.

 

[EastUS1]

Ok. Let us all know how "Gary" has any control over assessments or the ability of the 11 man BPR to do whatever they want?

He's a supposed "Leader"/President/etc. If his personal convictions, if ANY, can't be convincingly expressed, succesfully promoted and acted upon?...Well then..the guy's just a pathetic little joke...and should find "work" elsewhere than in his current position...Period!

 

[Walmartgreeter]

M/B for integration between US Airways and American. The MOU says nothing about integrating between east and west. That has already been done.

It could not be more clear. We will have a JCBA prior to seniority integration between American and us airways. The us airways pilots will vote and ratify a contract. That implements a joint contract covering east and west. The Nicolau become the list for all us airways pilots.


Some time after a joint contract is used and the Nicolau is implemented. THEN we use M/ B to integrate us airways pilots and American pilots.


Yes it is simple.

Ok. We know now how you THINK this will play out. But I ask. What if it does not go your way, with the Nic NOT becoming somehow implemented as to your timeline and triggering events? Let me give you some guidance. Your first line of action will be under the RLA as a grievance (and don't fear, you always have the option later of filing a DFR, when it is ripe!) And what will be the document the grievance will be referencing? It will be the NEW member ratified T/A with AMR, APA, US Airways, and USAPA (your union) as signatures. No Leo in that, by the way. And no LOA 96. It will die with a positive vote by US Airways pilots. Dead. Done. Over.Good luck.Greeter