CWA Files for Representation Election

[Kev3188]

You're dealing with G2 at AA as well? Oh boy...

 

[john john]

You're dealing with G2 at AA as well? Oh boy...

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[john john]

These guys stand to lose and gain a lot in union elections

 

[Bob Owens]

AA passenger service agents will have vote but it will be challenge. Attorneys for American Airlines are expected to appeal to the full Supreme Court, but they will need to get four of the nine justices to agree to hear the case, which is unlikely. Scalia is regarded as one of the most business-friendly justices. Even if the court decides to hear the case, it wouldn’t occur until some time in January, probably after the election has been held.

well if they can file for BK with over $4billion in the bank and remain in line for 500 new airplanes why woulndnt they feel they could get the government to enforce rule changes retroactively?

 

[1AA]

After watching the Bob Crandall video directed towards the pilot group of AA I am convinced that AA kept fighting the vote because it would be one more stumbling block in a potential merger with USAir. It is obvious that the only labor issue that matters is the Pilots seniority integration. The seniority and work rule issues for the TWU represented employees and the Flight Attendants must not matter that much. If the Passenger service agents have representation then a voice and objections can be brought up. This is where a union is a good thing. Sad to see that its all about Pilot seniority and work rules. Other employee groups must not matter. This is how AA management has been treating all employees over the last 10 years or so. But now they realize that the Pilot group is a issue to deal with. Time will tell to see if this will pan out for the better or the worse. I hope the passenger service agents vote in a union. At least to have protective language and work rules in place. Mergers are never beneficial to the workers. The money sucking leaches are the only ones that benefit from it.

 

[737823]

After watching the Bob Crandall video directed towards the pilot group of AA I am convinced that AA kept fighting the vote because it would be one more stumbling block in a potential merger with USAir. It is obvious that the only labor issue that matters is the Pilots seniority integration. The seniority and work rule issues for the TWU represented employees and the Flight Attendants must not matter that much. If the Passenger service agents have representation then a voice and objections can be brought up. This is where a union is a good thing. Sad to see that its all about Pilot seniority and work rules. Other employee groups must not matter. This is how AA management has been treating all employees over the last 10 years or so. But now they realize that the Pilot group is a issue to deal with. Time will tell to see if this will pan out for the better or the worse. I hope the passenger service agents vote in a union. At least to have protective language and work rules in place. Mergers are never beneficial to the workers. The money sucking leaches are the only ones that benefit from it.

I think the USAir agents are represented by CWA.

Josh

 

[700UW]

The US Airways CSA and RES are CWA and IBT alliance, east is CWA, west is IBT, both unions were afraid of a vote so they came up with an alliance so no election would be held.

 

[Bob Owens]

The US Airways CSA and RES are CWA and IBT alliance, east is CWA, west is IBT, both unions were afraid of a vote so they came up with an alliance so no election would be held.

Hmm,thats a new one.

 

[1AA]

The US Airways CSA and RES are CWA and IBT alliance, east is CWA, west is IBT, both unions were afraid of a vote so they came up with an alliance so no election would be held.

And the merger plot thickens.
What a mess this will be if a merger actually goes through.

 

[700UW]

Its not a new one, been ongoing since 2005. US wanted to force a union vote and wouldnt negotiate a new agreement with them, so IBT and CWA caved and accepted the US/CWA CBA as their agreement with a transition for the IBT West CSA onto the CBA, the west CSA's didnt have a first agreement.

The presidents of the two unions will alternate in heading up the new passenger service employees association, with CWA President Larry Cohen initially serving as director for the first year and IBT President James Hoffa as vice director. In the future, under the unified contract, CWA will represent workers in the eastern part of the United States and IBT will represent workers in the western states.

 

[Bob Owens]

Its not a new one, been ongoing since 2005. US wanted to force a union vote and wouldnt negotiate a new agreement with them, so IBT and CWA caved and accepted the US/CWA CBA as their agreement with a transition for the IBT West CSA onto the CBA, the west CSA's didnt have a first agreement.

The rumors we hear are that the TWU will likely merge with another union, IBT and CWA being mentioned. So the joint venture between the CWA and IBT and the joint venture to organize MROs with the IBT and TWU points to a possible three way merger with everyone ending up a Teamster.

 

[1AA]

The rumors we hear are that the TWU will likely merge with another union, IBT and CWA being mentioned. So the joint venture between the CWA and IBT and the joint venture to organize MROs with the IBT and TWU points to a possible three way merger with everyone ending up a Teamster.

IBT? I can not see it since the AFL-CIO will lose money on dues. The IBT dues are more than the TWU, IAM and AMFA. There will be some kind of objection if this were to happen. A run off vote would be democratic but since when has the TWU, IAM and IBT been democratic?

 

[Bob Owens]

IBT? I can not see it since the AFL-CIO will lose money on dues. The IBT dues are more than the TWU, IAM and AMFA. There will be some kind of objection if this were to happen. A run off vote would be democratic but since when has the TWU, IAM and IBT been democratic?

The IBT has left and returned to the AFL-CIO before, like I said you have to remember that the members unions are not subordinate to the AFL-CIO like the Locals are subordinate to the International. Its very easy for a Union to leave.

If they decide to merge we wont be given an opportunity to object, even if it means an increase in dues.

Look at the TWU Internationals LM-2 over the last 10 years, they are headed towards bankruptcy, IIRC at their current trajectory they will be out of cash in 7 years, they have to do something. If all three unions merged the IBT would likely rejoin the AFL-CIO.

 

[Bob Owens]

Nothing to gain a lot to lose

What do they have to lose other than dues?

 

[737823]

Bob, the IAM isn't doing too great financially now either, they have approximately 350,000 members not too long ago it was north of 700,000. Buffy and Roach haven't felt the sting the IAM workers have in all their sell out agreements to protect jobs (dues payers) for the concessions master. Bob, do you see the IAM as viable alternative to the TWU if the USAIR merger becomes a reality? IAM contracts for mechanics are substandard and lagging the industry by a wide margin, just look at USAIR. Do you think given the fact that the IAM has no experience bargaining with AA management and their abandoning of the TWA workers will hinder their success in an election?

Josh