CWA Files for Representation Election

[frontline]

How will you lose your contract?

AA's agents will vote in the CWA, that is gonna happen and if they didnt you would be given the opportunity to get cards and hold an election before any certification would go away.

Educate yourself.

You educate YOURSELF. There's no guarantee that our agents will vote in the CWA, even when an election finally takes place.

And in ANOTHER election after a merger, there's no guarantee that the combined group would vote for representation.

 

[700UW]

When a company decimates its work force, they vote a union in, it happened at US for fleet and csa after the company screwed the non-union people over.

Watch and see. The airline industry is one of the highest percentage of unionized workers in the country.

 

[usa1]

But it is true that "IF" AA employees do not vote for the union then the employees at US will lose theirs with a merger. AA employees far out number US. So even in a post merger re-vote US c/s could still lose theirs.

What is the status of the AA customer service pension? It's being frozen, correct? That means post merger, going forward, US employees would be contributing to insure funding of a plan that doesn't benefit them at all? Would the US customer service pensions, benefit in anyway from ending up non-union. Would the company offer some kind of insensitive (buy out or pension insensitive) to Sr. US employees to help insure a no vote post merger?

 

[usa1]

American Airlines is ‘pleased’ with court ruling in NMB/CWA case

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/06/american-airlines-is-pleased-with-court-ruling-in-nmbcwa-case.html/


CWA calls judge’s decision ‘a disgrace and a travesty of justice

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2012/06/cwa-calls-judges-decision-a-disgrace-and-a-travesty-of-justice.html/

 

[jimntx]

You educate YOURSELF. There's no guarantee that our agents will vote in the CWA, even when an election finally takes place.

And in ANOTHER election after a merger, there's no guarantee that the combined group would vote for representation.

All I hear from agents is how mistreated they are by management. If the agents once again vote against representation, they deserve whatever crap the company heaps on their heads in the future.

 

[BoeingBoy]

But it is true that "IF" AA employees do not vote for the union then the employees at US will lose theirs with a merger. AA employees far out number US. So even in a post merger re-vote US c/s could still lose theirs.

While a possibility, it's not a foregone conclusion. US agents wouldn't lose representation until either an election was held by the merged group and the "no union" vote prevailed or CWA declined to apply for an election. Since CWA is trying to represent the AA agents why would they decline to file for an election?

Under the RLA, there really is no way to automatically lose representation in a merger.

Jim

 

[john john]

Under the RLA,

Jim

Under the RLA/NMB there should be an election-taking place now. AA has money and power in the right places

 

[WantFriesWithThat?]

All I hear from agents is how mistreated they are by management. If the agents once again vote against representation, they deserve whatever crap the company heaps on their heads in the future.

Funny. All I hear from the ramp and flight crews is how mistreated they are, so how is a union gonna make a difference?

 

[john john]

DOJ has no standing in this issue,

The Justice Department is expected to file soon for an expedited appeal of the terrible decision by the Texas judge to enjoin our election.

 

[eolesen]

Is this the same DOJ headed by the guy held in contempt of Congress?....

DOJ can file a brief in my neighbors' divorce proceedings, too, but it doesn't mean they have standing or that the courts are going to act on it.

 

[john john]

DOJ can file a brief in my neighbors' divorce proceedings, too,

They did.DOJ gets involved in divorce proceedings

Are your management buddies heading back to the agents ranks

 

[eolesen]

No need for my management buddies to head back. They're all still employed.

Why all the concern about a few former management folks bumping back into agent jobs?

You worried that those would be "no" votes when the time comes? If anything, those affected by layoffs would seem to be more likely "yes" votes...

 

[john john]

Be careful you are showing your cards

 

[FWAAA]

The Justice Department is expected to file soon for an expedited appeal of the terrible decision by the Texas judge to enjoin our election.

He's not a "Texas judge," he's a federal district court judge in Texas. There's a world of difference. "Terrible decision?" Tell me you aren't one of those (who criticise judges when the ruling is not in your favor). Sometimes the law just isn't on your side.

You know, months and months ago, several of us posted here that the agents should have organized prior to AA filing for bankruptcy protection because as employees at will, their employment terms (wages and benefits) would be modified prior to the completion of a union election. Despite your all-knowing denials of that truth, it looks like we were right. If the agents wanted to pay dues to the AFA during bankruptcy in the hopes that the union would moderate their pain, then they should have voted in your union before AA filed its Ch 11 petition, not after.

As an aside, I don't know of any posters on this forum who have identified themselves as AA agents. There's you and a couple of other US agents, but no AA agents that I know of.

 

[700UW]

Even Congress said they didnt intend the law to be retroactive, so I think the lawmakers who wrote and passed the bill would know more than a judge who was in AA's pocket.