CWA Files for Representation Election

[737823]

AA saying they would be harmed if an election occurred is BS, seriously?

CWA or another union would impede AAs ability to restructure and impose changes to work rules, pay rates, benefits, etc. CWA like all other unions is desperate for new business (members to represent) as their memberships rolls are down and influence has faded considerably. As I've said before, it's only the weakest and least competent agents that don't do their jobs that want union representation not surprisingly. Unions protect the weak and incompetent, reward inefficiency, and make it harder for management to run the company as they choose.

Josh

 

[Deleted member 17588]

CWA or another union would impede AAs ability to restructure and impose changes to work rules, pay rates, benefits, etc.

Unions protect the weak and incompetent, reward inefficiency, and make it harder for management to run the company as they choose.

A union will impede AA's ability to impose unfair work rules, substandard pay rates, reduce previously promised benefits, etc.

Unions protect the employees, MOST of whom are competent and efficient. Unions make it harder for the company to arbitrarily impose detrimental work conditions on employees.

Having a union means having a system of checks and balances.

 

[southwind]

A union will impede AA's ability to impose unfair work rules, substandard pay rates, reduce previously promised benefits, etc.

Unions protect the employees, MOST of whom are competent and efficient. Unions make it harder for the company to arbitrarily impose detrimental work conditions on employees.

Having a union means having a system of checks and balances.

How's that workin' out for ya' so far?

 

[Mr Red]

CWA or another union would impede AAs ability to restructure and impose changes to work rules, pay rates, benefits, etc. CWA like all other unions is desperate for new business (members to represent) as their memberships rolls are down and influence has faded considerably. As I've said before, it's only the weakest and least competent agents that don't do their jobs that want union representation not surprisingly. Unions protect the weak and incompetent, reward inefficiency, and make it harder for management to run the company as they choose.

Josh

You fail to mention the INCOMPETENT Managment that can't even put together a case to get rid of these F-sticks !
We GAVE them a volutary B/K and they still ran it into the ground.Get out now !!!

 

[700UW]

CWA or another union would impede AAs ability to restructure and impose changes to work rules, pay rates, benefits, etc. CWA like all other unions is desperate for new business (members to represent) as their memberships rolls are down and influence has faded considerably. As I've said before, it's only the weakest and least competent agents that don't do their jobs that want union representation not surprisingly. Unions protect the weak and incompetent, reward inefficiency, and make it harder for management to run the company as they choose.

Josh

Wrong, there is no status quo for newly organized employees, AA can do what they want to them and the only thing that would change is AA would have to sit down and negotiate a First time CBA and that doesnt affect AA coming out of bankruptcy as CBAs take an average of two years to negotiate and a first agreement is usually longer.

 

[FWAAA]

FWAAA are you happy about this? ..... Would you like to see the C/S group in BK slashed ... more than yours? Some people want their co-worker's to take a greater hit, so they won't get hit as hard? Is that you? Just asking?

The agents were employees at will on November 29, 2011 and will remain employees at will until they have a contract otherwise. I don't want to see people lose their jobs and have their pay slashed but unfortunately, that's what happens in bankruptcy. As an employee of US, I shouldn't have to remind you of that.

It's not often that I agree with 700UW, but he speaks the truth about the agents' position at AA. They're screwed, and nothing the CWA attempts will prevent that.

If the agents at AA wanted a contract that would be governed by section 1113 in bankruptcy (meaning that AA would move to abrogate it), they've had decades to organize and negotiate such a contract. Attempting to organize and slow down AA's bankruptcy in the middle of its 1113 process should anger every employee who wants AA to successfully complete its reorganization. As I've said before, employees who don't want to see AA successfully (and quickly) reorganize should have already found better paying alternate work elsewhere by now. They've had six months since the bankruptcy filing (and nine years since the concessions of 2003).

As you know, the choices for employees in bankruptcy consist of agreeing to huge concessions or seeing AA impose them when the court approves the motions to abrogate. Organizers from the CWA have sold the agents a bill of goods, making them believe that an 11th hour organization effort will lessen the effect of bankruptcy on their wages and job security. Anyone who has been thru bankruptcy knows that is nonsense. The choices are negotiated concessions or abrogation.

 

[usa1]

Wrong, there is no status quo for newly organized employees, AA can do what they want to them and the only thing that would change is AA would have to sit down and negotiate a First time CBA and that doesnt affect AA coming out of bankruptcy as CBAs take an average of two years to negotiate and a first agreement is usually longer.

As a US Airways, CWA member I should stand against this merger, right? I will lose my contract if it happens, right? We will be the only group to lose our union and our contract if it happens, right?

 

[700UW]

How will you lose your contract?

AA's agents will vote in the CWA, that is gonna happen and if they didnt you would be given the opportunity to get cards and hold an election before any certification would go away.

Educate yourself.

 

[usa1]

Doesn't present law state that in a merger of two airlines, regardless of who buys who, the larger airline group trumps the smaller one. In our case the larger non-union group at AA trumps the US Airways union group. Our present contract has run out. So won't there will be a window of opportunity for Parker to outsource half our station without any representation by our union. And then, and if, later we get a vote it will be a little to late ... we'll be playing catch up?

 

[OgieJFK]

Isn't it amazing how the judge is always paid off when a ruling goes in the company's favor?...

How about a judge that has ruled in favor of AA more then once...http://www.loyalaw.com/CM/MediaCenter/Documents-detail.pdf

 

[john john]

The agents were employees at will on November 29, 2011 and will remain employees at will until they have a contract otherwise. I don't want to see people lose their jobs and have their pay slashed but unfortunately, that's what happens in bankruptcy. As an employee of US, I shouldn't have to remind you of that.

It's not often that I agree with 700UW, but he speaks the truth about the agents' position at AA. They're screwed, and nothing the CWA attempts will prevent that.

If the agents at AA wanted a contract that would be governed by section 1113 in bankruptcy (meaning that AA would move to abrogate it), they've had decades to organize and negotiate such a contract. Attempting to organize and slow down AA's bankruptcy in the middle of its 1113 process should anger every employee who wants AA to successfully complete its reorganization. As I've said before, employees who don't want to see AA successfully (and quickly) reorganize should have already found better paying alternate work elsewhere by now. They've had six months since the bankruptcy filing (and nine years since the concessions of 2003).

As you know, the choices for employees in bankruptcy consist of agreeing to huge concessions or seeing AA impose them when the court approves the motions to abrogate. Organizers from the CWA have sold the agents a bill of goods, making them believe that an 11th hour organization effort will lessen the effect of bankruptcy on their wages and job security. Anyone who has been thru bankruptcy knows that is nonsense. The choices are negotiated concessions or abrogation.

If CWA ends up representing both US and AA and AA has to transition in to the CWA US contract will that be good for AA agents ????

 

[BonTemps]

Doesn't present law state that in a merger of two airlines, regardless of who buys who, the larger airline group trumps the smaller one. In our case the larger non-union group at AA trumps the US Airways union group. Our present contract has run out. So won't there will be a window of opportunity for Parker to outsource half our station without any representation by our union. And then, and if, later we get a vote it will be a little to late ... we'll be playing catch up?

With Airlines and the like, a contract doesn't "Run out' ever. US Agents would continue on the current contract until a new/amended agreement is reached and voted on. That's the saving grace as far as any window of opportunity for outsourcing. My thought is that AA agents will vote in CWA once they are given the opportunity and/or AA stops paying off judges long enough for them to get to vote. I've heard they are just beat down and defeated.

 

[700UW]

DL and NW merged, DL was larger, yet every group on the property who werent union at DL voted on representation at the merged airline.

 

[FWAAA]

DL and NW merged, DL was larger, yet every group on the property who werent union at DL voted on representation at the merged airline.

Not the mechanics. AMFA realized that there was no point in holding an election:

http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Union-that-struck-Northwest-gives-up-on-Delta-1301216.php

 

[john john]

How's that workin' out for ya' so far?

Not to bad actually if AA agents transition to CWA USAirways passenger service contract