Can you pinpoint a time when US is going to take over AA??? Think the AA logo will go away???
Could US Airways Take Over American?
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Frankly I think AA has about two years to get it's financial house in order. Who knows where US will be then? There are so many variables that in order for US to acquire AA every domino would have to fall at exactly the right time.
As for the AA logo, if I'm Doug Parker and I fought, scratched and clawed to put US/HP together and did the same for US/AA The new airline would be named US Airways if for no other reason than to flip the bird at all the other majors who looked down their noses at the company I built. But that's me.
He built off the sweat of his employees...Any merger DP is involved in is purely ego driven.
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I hear ya! The only thing bigger than his appetite for Budweiser is his ego. The man leaves a trail of disappointed customer and ruined careers in order to stroke his ego.
All I would say to Doug is the toes you step on on the way up may be attached to the ass you have to kiss on the way down
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As for the AA logo, if I'm Doug Parker and I fought, scratched and clawed to put US/HP together and did the same for US/AA The new airline would be named US Airways if for no other reason than to flip the bird at all the other majors who looked down their noses at the company I built. But that's me.
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In no way do I think, support or believe that US and team Tempe are capable of attaining AA whether it's in BK or on the open market. But I'll play the game and say there is enough Bud light drunk one night and Parker bids too much money to satisfy his ego and buys AMR. The name would remain American, for historical and name recognition. America West was dropped because it had a reputation for poor service and limited scope. Since the sand lot has down graded and ignored the Customers and employee's, US now has the reputation for poor service in numerous polls and American Airlines would remain the name.
It's funny that the only way to end the misery the employee's of USAirways constantly are looking for the proverbial merger/buyout. This topis is all about US buying AA. Over on the topic concerning the DL/US slots, someone mentioned that THAT announcement is a sure sign that DL and US are going to finally hook up and another poster believes this will entice the new UA to buy US.
If I'm Doug Parker or Gerald Arpey, I'm pacing the floors. Parker is not the wunderkid that his Vanderbilt MBA proclaims. He's losing money again, giving away 125 slots to get 40 slots another carrier. A fractured employee group that has too be solved before he tries a merger or BK fire sale. Arpey has a little more time. He's got more money in the bank and will hope for a cash infusion from BA. He needs someone to talk a sense into the and come to an agreement and that means nicer management relations with their employee's.
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In no way do I think, support or believe that US and team Tempe are capable of attaining AA whether it's in BK or on the open market. But I'll play the game and say there is enough Bud light drunk one night and Parker bids too much money to satisfy his ego and buys AMR. The name would remain American, for historical and name recognition. America West was dropped because it had a reputation for poor service and limited scope. Since the sand lot has down graded and ignored the Customers and employee's, US now has the reputation for poor service in numerous polls and American Airlines would remain the name.
It's funny that the only way to end the misery the employee's of USAirways constantly are looking for the proverbial merger/buyout. This topis is all about US buying AA. Over on the topic concerning the DL/US slots, someone mentioned that THAT announcement is a sure sign that DL and US are going to finally hook up and another poster believes this will entice the new UA to buy US.
If I'm Doug Parker or Gerald Arpey, I'm pacing the floors. Parker is not the wunderkid that his Vanderbilt MBA proclaims. He's losing money again, giving away 125 slots to get 40 slots another carrier. A fractured employee group that has too be solved before he tries a merger or BK fire sale. Arpey has a little more time. He's got more money in the bank and will hope for a cash infusion from BA. He needs someone to talk a sense into the and come to an agreement and that means nicer management relations with their employee's.
No, AA logo and name would stay, and sure, just like the reverend who predicted the earths demise last weekend, I know when this will take place. ??
IIRC, Mr. Parker was in discussion with US management prior to US emerging from bankruptcy, so my guess would be that he'd ask AA if they're interested. If they say no, he'd go away, for a while. But since he is on record as a huge supporter of consolidation, I assume he'd keep trying to talk them into it.
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AA cannot and will not attract investment from BA until it gets its house in order and at this point it can only come from a lot smaller network - getting rid of a whole lot of flying that can't work given even a future cost structure - and alot lower labor costs - which really can come only through productivity.
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Yes, AA is fighting BK in part because it fears a takeover... but companies lose control of their furture to the creditors who are interested in the best deal for them....
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AA has cash because they are loaded up with debt to their eyeballs... and alot of that debt will not go away in BK short of selling the assets that secure that debt. US is in far better financial shape...
as for the name and colors, the AA name and logo has far more value...
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Yes, AA is fighting BK in part because it fears a takeover... but companies lose control of their furture to the creditors who are interested in the best deal for them....
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AA has cash because they are loaded up with debt to their eyeballs... and alot of that debt will not go away in BK short of selling the assets that secure that debt. US is in far better financial shape...
as for the name and colors, the AA name and logo has far more value...
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Oh what fun to speculate and ponder. US is better than AA.....AA is better than US. Nobody wants others to trash talk the very airline they work for though they are MISERABLE and despise their management. I will say this though, AA is trying very hard to stay out of the courts but with their huge fleet of gas guzzling chitty chitty bang bang "super 80's", pensions, price of fuel topped off by all the other debacles I think it will take proving their CEO nothing short of David Copperfield. While I don't proclaim Doug Parker and his immediate crew to be employee/customer driven one thing we can't dispute here is they are money people. Pure and simple! Whatever will be will be regardless of what the employees think. I personally want NO PART of merging/acquiring/being bought....whatever by AA. US cannot and WILL NOT survive in it's current form for the long haul and to think AA is going to pull off some miraculous turn around outside of BK is laughable at best. There, Debbie is an armchair CEO now too. 😉 I'll go on record here....NO WAY TO AA! ! ! ! A new campaign is born. 😀
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Won't that be too funny if AA decides to try to use the Keep DL My DL campaign to save its own skin? Problem is that the reason DL succeeded was because they were able to convince creditors that DL would be better off restructuring itself rather than being acquired, in part because the legislative objections to DL-US were huge... that doesn't exist with AA/US where there is far less overlap and the slot deal helps even more....
you are right that US people understand the business and are willing to do the tough things necessary to win even if it is not good for its people. AA mgmt seems to believe they can continue with the status quo rather than fix problems; they have perhaps already taken AA beyond the point of no return, something that US was able to recognize and plan around.
At the end of the day, airlines (at least in the US) are businesses... the best survive, the lowest performing die. There have been plenty of airlines die in the US and there is no moratorium on further deaths in the industry.
you are right that US people understand the business and are willing to do the tough things necessary to win even if it is not good for its people. AA mgmt seems to believe they can continue with the status quo rather than fix problems; they have perhaps already taken AA beyond the point of no return, something that US was able to recognize and plan around.
At the end of the day, airlines (at least in the US) are businesses... the best survive, the lowest performing die. There have been plenty of airlines die in the US and there is no moratorium on further deaths in the industry.
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Take that and top it off with the current US management team in control. I bet it would just top Southwest as the best place to work.
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Take that and top it off with the current US management team in control. I bet it would just top Southwest as the best place to work.
Well Well Ms Debby Downer did Kitty wake up and fall in the liter box?
I almost NEVER agree with UPNAWAY, but even as a customer I've heard comments that support the post. Since I don't have anything nice to say about current US Management I'll allow their conduct to speak for itself. However one can only ponder and speculate about which circle of Hell employees would find themselves in with a combined US/AA.
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Oh believe me, I never agree with UPNAWAY either. What I was saying is if you mixed the environment and troubles with US and it's environment and troubles it would be pretty much hell on earth.
The former AA management gang now working at US is scare and rightfully so. Their track record precedes them
As far as them working for AA again there anxiety tells it all
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