Combined Travel Rules

[UPNAWAY]

By the time we get to sumemr their union and contract will most likely not exist.

 

[RJcasualty]

You dont get it.
 
So its ok for the company to just violate a CBA that they agreed too?

Man, where have you been?  AAG is requesting further concessions from AE pilots who have already signed a CBA in BK. The USAir pay hikes have to be partially offset by somebody, right?

 

[737823]

You dont get it.
 
So its ok for the company to just violate a CBA that they agreed too?

Company boy, NRSA privileges are non contractual and can be suspended, modified, or terminated at will by the company and you have zero recourse.

Josh

 

[ContUNITEus]

You dont get it.
 
So its ok for the company to just violate a CBA that they agreed too?

The whole purpose of DP and Co. signing a contract is so that they can violate it again, slap you in the face with it and have you come back for more.
 

 

[jimntx]

No anti-union boy, you are wrong.  If the company allows a represented-group to include a company benefit, such as travel privileges, into their contract and the company signs off on that contract, then those travel privileges become contractual.
 
At AA, our flight attendant retirement plan was part of our contract at the time I started in 2000 and had been part of the contract for a number of years.  The company could not modify it without the union's ok.  I think it was after 9/11 that it was dropped from the contract.  (The company threatened going into bankruptcy if it wasn't.  Imagine that!)  Now, there is no law that says a company has to provide any retirement plan to anyone other than the paying into Social Security (by both the employee and the employer), and even that law exempts companies under a certain size, I think.
 
The point though about contractual travel privileges for the US Airways flight attendants is probably moot, because they will be (more than likely) members of APFA before too much longer, and we do not have contractual travel privileges.

 

[ContUNITEus]

more of the signing and bitchslapping that is

 

[700UW]

Company boy, NRSA privileges are non contractual and can be suspended, modified, or terminated at will by the company and you have zero recourse.

Josh

 
So much you know, the language I posted is from the CWA/US CBA.
 
Why are you lying once again?  Why are you posting misinformation?
 
AFA, ALPA, CWA and the IAM all have NRSA travel in their CBAs.
 
How can you be wrong once again?
 
Better go earn that money, JP Morgan has a $13 billion tap to pay the Feds.
 
And the HP/AFA won an arbitration in regard to their NRSA and the AFA/US also won a grievance on it right before it went to arbitration.
 
Why all the lies?
 
You dont know a thing about the language and the CBAs.
 
Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.
 
From the IAM/US Mechanic and Related CBA:
 
 

ARTICLE 13.
2 TRANSPORTATION
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4 (A) Employees and their immediate family will be granted the same  transportation privileges on the Company's system as may be established by Company regulations for all personnel.
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8 (The Company will provide Space Positive Travel to Company employees and retirees on permanent full-time Union business as follows:
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11 The Company will authorize reasonable space positive travel (on a 12 self-book basis) for up to five (5) union officials, providing that:
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14 Such officials are employees or retirees of the Company,
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16 Are on full time Union Leave, and Where the majority of their Union duties are related to the 19 Company.
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21 Such Space Positive travel is only authorized where the purpose of the travel is all or substantially all related the Company. Space Positive travel is not authorized for commuting, or any Union business including but not limited to training and union conventions. Officials authorized Space Positive travel will be required to complete a monthly summary (no later than ten (10) days from the close of the previous business month) detailing all Space Positive travel in the applicable month.

Gee joshie, your wrong once again!

 

[john john]

By the time we get to sumemr their union and contract will most likely not exist.

A lot of people in management are hoping for this
Do vendors get flying benefits?

 

[737823]

Correct but the very language you linked says established by company regulations, so again the company can change the rules at will and the union and employees have no recourse.

Josh

 

[1AA]

 
So much you know, the language I posted is from the CWA/US CBA.
 
Why are you lying once again?  Why are you posting misinformation?
 
AFA, ALPA, CWA and the IAM all have NRSA travel in their CBAs.
 
How can you be wrong once again?
 
Better go earn that money, JP Morgan has a $13 billion tap to pay the Feds.
 
And the HP/AFA won an arbitration in regard to their NRSA and the AFA/US also won a grievance on it right before it went to arbitration.
 
Why all the lies?
 
You dont know a thing about the language and the CBAs.
 
Once again, dont let the facts get in your way.

AA travel benefits to all employees are not contractual (except FD jump seat) and have never been since I have been employed at AA for almost thirty years. The agreements at the USAir side will all be merged into one agreement or benefit. Care to guess what will happen to the contractual agreements that USAir has? BTW, you no longer work at USAir so why do you care so much what happens at the NEW AMERICAN? If you left USAir then you have no travel benefits.

 

[700UW]

The unions do have a recourse, we had someone fired for NRSA issues, it went to arbitration and the IAM and employee won.
 
So once again you dont know what you are talking about again.
 
1AA:
And no one knows when, if and what a JCBA will contain.  The IAM will not negotiate a JCBA until Section 6 negotiations are complete at US.
 
Guess you dont realize its eight years after the HP merger and the FAs just got a JCBA, and the pilots still dont.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

I've read the US Airways CBA:
 
 
 

1. A Flight Attendant shall be provided on-line and interline pass
benefits in accordance with Company Policy unless otherwise
provided for in this Agreement. These benefits shall include
retiree travel and survivors of deceased employee travel in
accordance with Company policy. During the term of this
Agreement, the Company shall not modify its pass policy to cap
the number of times Flight Attendants, retired Flight Attendants,
their spouses, eligible dependents and survivors, may utilize their
space available travel privileges, to reduce their relative boarding
priority with respect to other employee groups, or to otherwise
substantially reduce this underlying benefit. This Paragraph shall
not prevent the Company from making changes to the
administration of the pass policy. (emphasis mine)

 
I don't see what is being supposedly "violated" here.

 

[700UW]

AFA US Airways E-Line - January 2, 2014
 Non-Rev Travel Program Announcement from the Company
 The Company has just released the travel policy for employees at the New American.  The policy is set to be effective in two (2) phases. The Retiree phase is to be implemented during the month of January and the boarding priority phase which is slated to be implemented "mid-2014".  
 
 The Company intends to implement the First-come, First-served (FCFS) boarding priority which is a clear violation of our 2013 Collective Bargaining Agreement. 
 
 There is at least one other labor group at US Airways that has Contractual language addressing pass travel by Seniority. We will be consulting with them as well as our Staff Attorneys to determine the best course of action.
 
 MEC President, Roger Holmin advised the Company weeks ago that a decision on their part to go to a FCFS travel policy would be in direct violation of our Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA).
 
 Clearly, the Company has no respect for contract language. The name of the airline is changing to the New American; however, it's clear that's the only thing changing.

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

 
 Clearly, the Company has no respect for contract language. The name of the airline is changing to the New American; however, it's clear that's the only thing changing.

 
What planet is he on? The name of the airline isn't changing to "the New American." It's American Airlines, and always has been.

 

[700UW]

Thats not my quote.
 
Thats from the AFA US E-Line.
 
And I would think the MEC President knows a little bit more about his own CBA than you or I do.