Closing of West Coast Cities
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On 7/20/2003 5:15:48 PM PITbull wrote:
These "alliances" that U has joined will be the death of U mainline and the mainline employees. We here are dying a Slow death, and bleeding and suffereing as employees every day that passes.
Seen this way back. That's why I have showed such resistance to "joinings Dave's team, and conceding to concessions that were unrealistic to the survival of the employee.
U will consist of MDA jobs, and if you want to work for U, and can live on those wages and benefits for your life time and family....good luck and hope you win the lottery.
And those of you who continue to delude yourselves and others that UAL will not pull out of BK, and U will just grow, and buy routes and take over the planet, pull your head out of your azzes so you can see the light.
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POST DELETED BY MODERATOROn 7/20/2003 5:15:48 PM PITbull wrote:
These "alliances" that U has joined will be the death of U mainline and the mainline employees. We here are dying a Slow death, and bleeding and suffereing as employees every day that passes.
Seen this way back. That's why I have showed such resistance to "joinings Dave's team, and conceding to concessions that were unrealistic to the survival of the employee.
U will consist of MDA jobs, and if you want to work for U, and can live on those wages and benefits for your life time and family....good luck and hope you win the lottery.
And those of you who continue to delude yourselves and others that UAL will not pull out of BK, and U will just grow, and buy routes and take over the planet, pull your head out of your azzes so you can see the light.
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ITRADE
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I would hardly call a 30% marketshare at an airline a monopoly.
Folks can always fly out of IAD or BWI if they like.
Or EWR or JFK.
Folks can always fly out of IAD or BWI if they like.
Or EWR or JFK.
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According to senior management, US has no intention of closing other West Coast cities at this time. In addition, Dave Siegel told me a few weeks ago he is working with the federal government to start new A319 service from DCA to LAX & SFO and with local authorities for new A319 service from LGA to LAX & SFO. Siegel said if he can fly more long-range LGA non stop flights the Airbus will likely remain based in New York and stay on the Shuttle.
In addition, I believe that there will be further announcements regarding BOS expansion that will include a larger terminal and West Coast service.
Best regards,
Chip
In addition, I believe that there will be further announcements regarding BOS expansion that will include a larger terminal and West Coast service.
Best regards,
Chip
Well I can certainly understand Siegel trying to convince the government to let US fly DCA/LGA-SFO/LAX.
But...
As a taxpayer I''ll be ticked if US is handed a monopoly on these routes. New service into DCA/LGA should be designed to increase competition. US flying those city pairs would do anything but that.
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As a taxpayer I''ll be ticked if US is handed a monopoly on these routes. New service into DCA/LGA should be designed to increase competition. US flying those city pairs would do anything but that.
ITRADE
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I''m sure they''d love to use a 757, but they would want to test out the route first.
But, given that everybody else flies 757s and 767s to the Left coast, there should be no problem filling an A319.
LGA''s runways are 7000 feet. Given that the A319 has moderately long legs, it should be doable. But, I''ll defer to the weight/load experts.
But, given that everybody else flies 757s and 767s to the Left coast, there should be no problem filling an A319.
LGA''s runways are 7000 feet. Given that the A319 has moderately long legs, it should be doable. But, I''ll defer to the weight/load experts.
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IF this is just a rumor and has no truth to it, then someone should tell AFA Local 70 to stop passing this information on to f/a''s and scaring them. I saw 2 Local 70 people on the employee bus yesterday and they both confimed this rumor. Panic is now being spread through the west coast commuters!
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On 7/21/2003 8:39:01 AM ITRADE wrote:
I would hardly call a 30% marketshare at an airline a monopoly.
Folks can always fly out of IAD or BWI if they like.
Or EWR or JFK.
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I didn''t say 30% marketshare was a monopoly, nor would I. But owning the only slots to fly DCA/LGA-SFO/LAX would definately be a monopoly on those specific routes. If slots were created for those routes and only USair could fly them, how is that not a monopoly? Other airlines can''t just start service competing because they wouldn''t have the slots and the perimeter exemptions (unlike at JFK/EWR/BWI/IAD).On 7/21/2003 8:39:01 AM ITRADE wrote:
I would hardly call a 30% marketshare at an airline a monopoly.
Folks can always fly out of IAD or BWI if they like.
Or EWR or JFK.
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ITRADE
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On 7/21/2003 9:49:47 AM whlinder wrote:
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Well, what say you to the fact that HP is the only carrier permitted to fly DCA-PHX? Or that DL is the only carrier permitted to fly DCA-SLC? Or that F9 is the only carrier permitted to fly DCA-DEN? Or that TW was the only carrier permitted to fly DCA-LAX?On 7/21/2003 9:49:47 AM whlinder wrote:
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On 7/21/2003 8:39:01 AM ITRADE wrote:
I would hardly call a 30% marketshare at an airline a monopoly.
Folks can always fly out of IAD or BWI if they like.
Or EWR or JFK.
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I didn''t say 30% marketshare was a monopoly, nor would I. But owning the only slots to fly DCA/LGA-SFO/LAX would definately be a monopoly on those specific routes. If slots were created for those routes and only USair could fly them, how is that not a monopoly? Other airlines can''t just start service competing because they wouldn''t have the slots and the perimeter exemptions (unlike at JFK/EWR/BWI/IAD).On 7/21/2003 8:39:01 AM ITRADE wrote:
I would hardly call a 30% marketshare at an airline a monopoly.
Folks can always fly out of IAD or BWI if they like.
Or EWR or JFK.
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On 7/21/2003 8:39:01 AM ITRADE wrote:
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I''m not going to re-hash the whole DCA perimeter slot discussion. But there are a lot of airlines that should be given slots to fly DCA/LGA-LAX/SFO before the DOT even thinks about letting US fly those routes.
(And personally, I don''t like the idea of beyond-perimenter slots for DCA/LGA to begin with)
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Why do you think other airlines should be given beyond perimeter expansion opportunties before US does? US is the largest carrier at DCA, has good feed to DCA. It makes logical sense. IF UA and others can do LGA to the West Coast, etc., we should have some from DCA.
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On 7/20/2003 11:28:00 AM Art at ISP wrote:
Now if we assume that US moves into the UA terminals, and the clubs are closed, what arrangements will be made for US Club members flying on US flights (assuming that they keep them?) Current rules for Red Carpet Club only allow us to use UA club if on UA metal.
One would assume that they would make some arrangement for us, but to assume that this management would do anything that made good business or customer service sense is likely asking too much.
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On 7/20/2003 11:28:00 AM Art at ISP wrote:
Now if we assume that US moves into the UA terminals, and the clubs are closed, what arrangements will be made for US Club members flying on US flights (assuming that they keep them?) Current rules for Red Carpet Club only allow us to use UA club if on UA metal.
One would assume that they would make some arrangement for us, but to assume that this management would do anything that made good business or customer service sense is likely asking too much.
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Art, I propose that U management has already made arrangements for you. By having you fly on UAL.
To quote Chip from another thread in regard to rumors, ''where there''s smoke, there''s fire.''
U has embraced the death star (The star alliance). U''s employees will quickly discover why it has that nickname.
ITRADE
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On 7/21/2003 8:27:17 AM Chip Munn wrote:
In addition, I believe that there will be further announcements regarding BOS expansion that will include a larger terminal and West Coast service.
Best regards,
Chip
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I could really only envision flights to LAX, SFO and DEN for US. AA just announced the cessation of BOS-SAN, so if they''re having a tough time...On 7/21/2003 8:27:17 AM Chip Munn wrote:
In addition, I believe that there will be further announcements regarding BOS expansion that will include a larger terminal and West Coast service.
Best regards,
Chip
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