City of Dallas still in talks with Delta about Love Field

[swamt]

I thought that DAL Love Field was completed by Jan 2015.  However, according to the article below they are still opening some more completed areas in March and July for more taxiway capacity, then in Aug and Nov it will open up additional ramp space.  Then they can focus on all the new parking coming this year, 2016 and 2017...
 
Southwest Airlines announces nonstop service between Dallas (Love Field) and eight new cities
 
Here's an interesting article saying Spirit might feel some growing pains from the growth plans of SWA at DAL.  With all the current fare wars going on at DAL, our 90% full aircraft will increase and be around alot longer now.  Virgin starts AUS this April.  Not sure if Spirit serves AUS from DFW though. However Delta does serve ATL from DAL and they are mentioned in this article as well.  Hey if anything, all this media coverage about Love Field is working very well for SWA.  With everything that is going on they are able to keep DAL Love Field alive in the media press for some time.  Here's the article on AA, Spirit and Delta...
 
Like American, Spirit Is Downgraded Due to Dallas Price Wars

 

[WorldTraveler]

if you read what I write here, you usually will read it from a PAID industry analyst at some point down the road.

I have specifically stated that NK's growth at DFW would be hampered because of WN's growth at DAL. I also noted that WN's pulldown at ATL is precisely why NK and other ULCCs are growing there... they are simply trading Dallas markets for ATL for right now until the market in N. Texas stabilizes.

I have also noted that ULCCs do best in single carrier legacy hubs because the pricing between legacies and ULCCs is the greatest and because with just one carrier, there is more opportunity for competition.

Eventually, WN will run out of room to grow at DAL, with or without an expansion, AA will have lost a large chunk of the local market, and both carriers will start pushing fares back up. that is when ULCCs will find their best opportunity to grow in N. Texas again. but even without growth, NK still has a decent sized operation at DFW.

 

[swamt]

Yet another article that claims Delta may in fact get the boot from DAL Love Field...
 
Southwest adds 8 Dallas routes; Delta to get the boot?

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, it's the same article you or others have posted a dozen times. and there is nothing new to it.

WN has no legal basis for kicking DL out or being protected to operate with more than 16 gates. The DOT, DAL, and DOJ all incorporated DL's sublease in the UA lease transfer.

WN is trying to play bully simply because it has been proven repeatedly that it does a very poor job of competing against other carriers where WN is not the largest airline.

WN will be looking at DL's portable gate signs at DAL for a long time to come.

 

[swamt]

Now American says they would LUV to compete with SWA at Love Field.  Really? I have read where American was losing millions per month while trying to compete at Love Field with SWA.  So why the big oops now on the issue?  I am thinking they are now realizing how big the removal of the W/A is and are now thinking they would have done pretty well, as is Virgin is doing now.  In 10 years they can come back, IF they can be accommodated then...
 
American Airlines President Regrets Not Fighting Harder Over ...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I said all along that AA would want to be back at DAL based on WN's growth having a bigger effect on them than they estimated.

you want a bigger terminal at DAL or to remove the int'l restrictions, WN?

you're going to have to get AA and DL on board and give them a bigger piece of the pie.


btw, I will sign any petitions that AA or DL circulate to STOP the expansion of DAL if they don't get to play.

I signed the expansion of HOU with int'l facilities because it provided access for other carriers - and something closer to free markets.

don't get intoxicated with your own hubris, swamt. there are a whole lot more Fridays that have to be passed before your dreams become reality.

 

[swamt]

And as I said a while back, let the fare wars begin at DAL Love Field.  SWA started it, Virgin is now countering, so now what will SWA do to answer the Virgin fares offers?  This will get very interesting...
 
Virgin America ticket offer heats up Love Field battle with Southwest

 

[WorldTraveler]

Virgin doesn't stand a prayer at DAL. they were foolish to think they would be better off running from DFW to DAL.

methinks their decision to move to DAL will go down as one of the bigger strategic blunders of the airline industry; adding DAL-AUS flights might move them to the stupidest category.

given weakness on the transcons, the impact on their overall finances could be very significant.

 

[does this plane go to paris]

 
 This will get very interesting...

Back in the 80's, America West sprang out on the PHX market and soon touting itself as the better alternative to Southwest, which was expanding PHX and LAS and other western markets.  America West made several commercials that showed they could be like Southwest but also have assigned seating, connecting flights to other carriers, food, First Class, etc.  They had a mock reporter at the airport and showed happy America West customers and anyone flying on Southwest was embarrassed, hiding their faces and even putting paper bags over their heads while boarding a Southwest flight.  Southwest produced a response ad and they showed folks boarding their flights with the paper bags and it's been awhile since I've seen it but I know at the end, a "Customer" spoke thru the bag and said while others may mock them, no one could mock what Southwest Customers were saving and the Customer, Herb takes off his bag and a bunch of cash falls out as well.  Classic
 
I've flown VA and they do have alot of bells and whistle's but they also have some steep fares.  I think that it would be good for VA to give WN some competition but they are doing it DAL with a strong affinity towards LUV.  So, as you said swamt, it could get interesting.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Virgin might have survived if they had stuck to LAX SFO DCA and LGA

Adding AUS gave WN every reason it did not already have to crush them

Size not first class will determine the outcome but also show how dangerous it is for WN to have such a high percentage of the DAL market

 

[swamt]

Back in the 80's, America West sprang out on the PHX market and soon touting itself as the better alternative to Southwest, which was expanding PHX and LAS and other western markets.  America West made several commercials that showed they could be like Southwest but also have assigned seating, connecting flights to other carriers, food, First Class, etc.  They had a mock reporter at the airport and showed happy America West customers and anyone flying on Southwest was embarrassed, hiding their faces and even putting paper bags over their heads while boarding a Southwest flight.  Southwest produced a response ad and they showed folks boarding their flights with the paper bags and it's been awhile since I've seen it but I know at the end, a "Customer" spoke thru the bag and said while others may mock them, no one could mock what Southwest Customers were saving and the Customer, Herb takes off his bag and a bunch of cash falls out as well.  Classic
 
I've flown VA and they do have alot of bells and whistle's but they also have some steep fares.  I think that it would be good for VA to give WN some competition but they are doing it DAL with a strong affinity towards LUV.  So, as you said swamt, it could get interesting.

It will be fun to watch as well...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Virgin is setting itself up for failure at WN's hands and in the process prove why allowing why WN's high level of gate control at DAL is anti competitive

 

[swamt]

All has been quiet for awhile now, and Delta now gets involved. April is right around the corner as well is July 6th. Still getting interesting...
 

Delta says flights out of Love Field ‘jeopardized’ if Southwest wins legal battle with feds

 

[WorldTraveler]

from the article:

Right now, at least, Delta is scheduled to fly out of Love Field on July 6 — and never come back. Sources familiar with the situation say that probably won’t happen. After all, Delta’s faced drop-deadlines on and off for months and managed to keep one wheel in the jetway.

Love Field “is unique because it is the only airport in the United States at which Congress imposed gate capacity constraints,” says Delta’s filing. “The ‘reasonable accommodation’ obligation discussed in the Department’s December 17th letter is thus particularly critical in the context of [Love Field].

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and the likelihood is very high that WN has more to lose if DL pushes the case to court and that they will accommodate DL - even sources say that is likely according to the article - rather than run the risk of losing even more if a court finds how uncompetitive it is for WN to control as high of a percentage of flights from DAL as it does.

and VX' performance at DAL will become public record soon which will make it even more likely that their performance will show that WN is dominating the market to the detriment of other carriers.

note that DL says it would still like to add more flights at DAL

 

[Kev3188]

The latest from Terry Maxon:
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/03/heres-the-latest-round-in-the-delta-southwest-airlines-tustle-at-love-field.html/