Chairman Of Maintenance

[RUM@AA]

What??? Catch you in a lie RUM???? And Rum, do you have proof that Kevin HAS been on 80 hr UB as ASAP coordinator??? From what I hear he has helped you pukes out on more than one occasion. And since when do you have to be elected to be a "mouthpiece" for your union??? Are you getting paid, or were you elected to come on these boards and be a "mouthpiece" for amfa?? A bit of a double standard isn't it RUM???? A little bit of ignorance sure goes a long way, hey RUM????

Hammak has been on ub as ASAP coordinator for as long as I can remember there being one. 3 years? 5 years? I don't know, why don't you tell us how long it's been since you and he are such good buds. Everyone I know that is on his assigned dock says he's NEVER THERE! And I've NEVER seen him on an aircraft dock working anything but his mouth. Assuming he still gets a paycheck, he must be on UB.

After 19 years at AA I'm NOT ignorant about the TWU and what they have done to our profession. You're the ignoramus if you think Hammak or anyone else at local 514 will ever fix the TWU. They will either sell-out or resign frustrated.
Jim Little and Sonny Hall are NOT going to give you the right to vote them out, and if you think they will, you're an idiot.

 

[Bob Owens]

My, my, my! Isn't it funny how you amfa pukes can talk about someone without even knowing them!!! I happen to know Kevin pretty well, he's a good buddy of mine actually.


It never ceases to amaze me how you amfa supporters can get on these boards and slam someone without even knowing them. The stronger the threat a person is the stronger the attacks. That just proves that you can't take the competition.


Kind of like the way that you TWU guys talk about Dave, Dan, Chuck and I.

 

[Bill]

Yeh, well, the difference is I DO know you amfa supporters. I know Dan, Dave have met Chuck on several occasions and yes, I have even met you Bob and several others. Was I impressed............Hell no!!!!

But on this particular topic these amfa wannabes are slamming a man that they no nothing about, personally or professionally. They are attempting to spread more lies and rhetoric in hopes that someone will believe it. And, even after I told Rum and Dave the truth they still want to refute it and cry!! Why.......because they are too chicken sh** to ask the man himself, that's why!!!!!!!! And yes, Hammack, as well as some of the others that you guys slam are trying to "change" things within our local. Then it's guys like you who come along and tell us what we should be doing with our local business. That's a bunch of bull sh** . These are some good union men who want what's best for the membership and who are not trying to get a position within the international like you guys want to think. But you know what, I am wasting my breath trying to convince you and some of the others of that. You have AMFA so far up your a**es that you're beyond help or beyond hearing anything that you don't care to hear.

I can tell you this though, if the AMFA supporters do manage to get in those they are threatening to get in by "throwiing the vote" I can almost guarantee that they will be the first ones crying when someting "bad" happens and they will look to blame someone else the way they ALWAYS do. "It was Jim Little.........no wait, it was Sonny Hall..........no wait it was the e-board,............no wait it was the NMB,............no wait it was the company, .........no wait it was ??????????? It will ALWAYS be someone other than themselves!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

"It was Jim Little.........no wait, it was Sonny Hall..........no wait it was the e-board,............no wait it was the NMB,............no wait it was the company, .........no wait it was ??????????? It will ALWAYS be someone other than themselves!!!!

I'll stick to "it was Jim Little and Sonny Hall".

The members are right to blame them because they control the contract. If Little or Hall cannot coerce the Presidents council to choose as they say so they simply implement what they want anyway.

How many times does a Federal Judge have to say that the contract belongs to the International, not the locals, not the Presidents and not even the members before you stop believing the International when they blame everyone else?

Its understandable when the members cant figure out where to place the blame. Thats the way the International likes it. Because until enough of us figure it out they will continue to get away with murder. In a way it does all boil down to being the members fault for not firing the TWU.

 

[Raptor]

I'll stick to "it was Jim Little and Sonny Hall".

The members are right to blame them because they control the contract. If Little or Hall cannot coerce the Presidents council to choose as they say so they simply implement what they want anyway.

How many times does a Federal Judge have to say that the contract belongs to the International, not the locals, not the Presidents and not even the members before you stop believing the International when they blame everyone else?

Its understandable when the members cant figure out where to place the blame. Thats the way the International likes it. Because until enough of us figure it out they will continue to get away with murder. In a way it does all boil down to being the members fault for not firing the TWU.

I don't believe the contract does belong to the TWU cause if it did if AMFA won an election we would be without a contract as the TWU would take their contract with them, the Railway Labor Act say's the contract belongs to the members hence if the members vote in another Union the contract goes with the members it does not stay with the previous Union, that Federal Judge was just a wacko, most lawyers are, ok there was a snake in the road and a lawyer in the road both were hit by cars the ony difference was the snake had skid marks in front of it the lawyer did not.

Moral of the story don't believe everything a snake or a lawyer tell you.

 

[Bob Owens]

I don't believe the contract does belong to the TWU cause if it did if AMFA won an election we would be without a contract as the TWU would take their contract with them, the Railway Labor Act say's the contract belongs to the members hence if the members vote in another Union the contract goes with the members it does not stay with the previous Union, that Federal Judge was just a wacko, most lawyers are, ok there was a snake in the road and a lawyer in the road both were hit by cars the ony difference was the snake had skid marks in front of it the lawyer did not.

Moral of the story don't believe everything a snake or a lawyer tell you.

Well wackos or not the fact is that as long as we have the TWU as our representative then we allow them to have custody of our contract and they can modify it as they see fit without our consent as long as it does not contradict the Constitution.

The key here is that we have the right to vote out the TWU, so as far as the courts are concerned, as long as we dont vote them out then we accept those terms.

If we vote out the TWU then custody would go to whoever we vote in. The difference is in the Constitution and the structure. With AMFA we would have the right to vote out whoever controls our contract while with the TWU we do not. While this may sound minor its not. If you do not have the right to fire your representative then they can pursue their own interests at your expense and there is nothing you can do about it.

The TWU International owns your contract, read the cover, what does it say?

Agreement between American Airlines and Transport Workers Union Of America, AFL-CIO.

Do you see anything about the members?

Do you see anything about the Locals?

Well neither do the judges or the lawyers.

As far as the courts are concerned it could be an agreement between two corporations. In such an agreement would employees have the right to sue? No. Well you are basically considered an employee of the TWU contracted to work for AA as far as challenges concerning the contract.

This was proven over several court cases.

When several Presidents sued the International for splitting up their Locals and forming the maint locals the Judge said that the Presidents Council has no say in how the International runs the union.

When we sued the International the Judge said that its the Internationals contract and they dont even have to let the members vote on it.

When Local 501 sued, challenging the Kasher Decision the Judge said that Local 501 is not a party to the contract therefore they have no basis to sue.

 

[Checking it Out]

This race was probably the closets. Pat was supported by many and has admitted to signing an Amfa card recently. Still he lost, fell in second place. Creaser will be returning to his shop, He was in last place.

Kevin Hammack will be a very good chairman.

Amfa lost,

 

[Bob Owens]

This race was probably the closets. Pat was supported by many and has admitted to signing an Amfa card recently. Still he lost, fell in second place. Creaser will be returning to his shop, He was in last place.

Kevin Hammack will be a very good chairman.

Amfa lost,

Apparently so did the members.

 

[twuer]

Contrary to what you hear Bob, amfa is the minority, let me repeat MINORITY here in Tulsa!! Amfa supporters attempted a block vote and failed. That's what amfa is best at FAILING!!!!!!

We have some new officers in place (or will by the end of July), officers who care about this local and it's members. I do hope though, that Dennis can improve his people skills!!! Those he has under him now will not put up with his crap. It will be interesting to say the least!!!

 

[Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!]

Contrary to what you hear Bob, amfa is the minority, let me repeat MINORITY here in Tulsa!! Amfa supporters attempted a block vote and failed. That's what amfa is best at FAILING!!!!!!

We have some new officers in place (or will by the end of July), officers who care about this local and it's members. I do hope though, that Dennis can improve his people skills!!! Those he has under him now will not put up with his crap. It will be interesting to say the least!!!

Twu..Er, Your post is stupid at best. There was no organized effort for a "Block" Vote. I blame people with the same mentality you have for our woes!! Get A Life!!

Keep the Faith.....AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!!

 

[twuer]

Twu..Er, Your post is stupid at best. There was no organized effort for a "Block" Vote. I blame people with the same mentality you have for our woes!! Get A Life!!

Keep the Faith.....AMFA NOW!!!!!!!!!

Oh, that's good, deny it now. If you had succeeded you would be claiming victory!!! Waffle, waffle, waffle!!!!



I believe it's you who needs to get a life Bus!! Or at least stop drinking the kool-aide!!!




THIS AMFA CHAPTER IS CLOSED!!!!
AMFA HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Well now TULSA has a management suckass as "chairman of maintenance". Pat would have been a much better choice. Pat would never sell out the membership like Hammack is going to do.

 

[Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!]

Oh, that's good, deny it now. If you had succeeded you would be claiming victory!!! Waffle, waffle, waffle!!!!



I believe it's you who needs to get a life Bus!! Or at least stop drinking the kool-aide!!!




THIS AMFA CHAPTER IS CLOSED!!!!
AMFA HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!!

Twu...Er, better run, the little black helicopters are coming for ya!!!!!

Keep the Faith.......AMFA NOW!!!!!!

 

[Bob Owens]

Contrary to what you hear Bob, amfa is the minority, let me repeat MINORITY here in Tulsa!! Amfa supporters attempted a block vote and failed. That's what amfa is best at FAILING!!!!!!

We have some new officers in place (or will by the end of July), officers who care about this local and it's members. I do hope though, that Dennis can improve his people skills!!! Those he has under him now will not put up with his crap. It will be interesting to say the least!!!

And what is it you think I heard?

Apparently the non-voters have the largest percentage compared to any candidate.

Amfa is best at failing? Have you seen the graph of AA mechanics pay vs CPI yet?

All Dennis is going to do is use his Presidents slot and the 20 Tulsa delegate votes at the next Convention to get himself an International spot. Read the minutes of the 2001 Convention and see how he lobbied against recall of officers.

What was dennis's platform "I'm smarter than Randy"? I hope he wasnt running on change, he stabbed Local 501 and the other locals that were pushing for change in the back at the last Convention.

 

[Radman]

Kevin Hammack will be a very good chairman.

If he does not work harder than he did on the floor, the others will have to do all of his work for him. most of what I saw was bullshi&^%(^.