Card Drive Begins On Wednesday

[1AA]

Dont you mean June?

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I believe it is one year from the final decision. September 21st was the final ruling. We should be able to have enough cards before September 2005. This will only give us more time to get even more cards.

 

[Decision 2004]

Since The NMB has not yet released its final ruling and Amfa has an oppurtunity to object to the NMB decision. I think the cards that are being collected as you say will be null and void. Unless you intend on doing more fraud like filling in the blanks later!

I also understand the release of confidential AA employees Information is still alive and well! I believe I would be rethinking my trust in these amfa organizers. You could end up in jail, fined or defending a lawsuit!
Have a Great TWU Day!!!!!

[post="183353"][/post]​

You are once again a liar. The NMB has released the ruling and the last page of that ruling even quotes the Representation Manual and gives a September 21, 2005 date for next filing.

Now go find another lie to post, this one is a dead issue.

Do you lie to your wife this way also? You are the one proven to lie on a regular basis and should not be trusted.

The reason you don't have a copy of the ruling is because it's mere existence proves that Jim Little also lied when he claim AMFA conceded earlier. You and Jim are the leaders in lies.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Thanks to the twu Miami recalled about 20 AMTs this week. Although they are coming back to a job that is worth half when they left they feel it is in their best interest to sign an AMFA card. If we were short 27 all we need is 8 more signed cards. I dont think that will be a problem

 

[Bob Owens]

Thanks to the twu Miami recalled about 20 AMTs this week. Although they are coming back to a job that is worth half when they left they feel it is in their best interest to sign an AMFA card. If we were short 27 all we need is 8 more signed cards. I dont think that will be a problem

[post="183558"][/post]​

The problem is that the so called "recalls" will simply be guys transferring back to MIA from other stations. They will not be replaced. So in other words the total head count will not go up.

 

[Buck]

Thanks to the twu Miami recalled about 20 AMTs this week. Although they are coming back to a job that is worth half when they left they feel it is in their best interest to sign an AMFA card. If we were short 27 all we need is 8 more signed cards. I dont think that will be a problem

[post="183558"][/post]​

As these recalls go out, how many are retiring?

 

[Calvin]

Where was the final decision posted? Gotta link?

 

[Decision 2004]

Where was the final decision posted? Gotta link?

[post="183843"][/post]​

And we thought you had all the information.

Sorry, go fish!

 

[Calvin]

Go fish? Hey Dave, I have Delle's comment, but who trusts a gnome?

 

[Checking it Out]

The NMB ruling usually takes about two weeks, this gives time for any objections. Since Amfa has decided to start the drive , I assuming they have decided not to object and I understand they had until yesterday to do this.

Just remember the actual cards that were valid from Amfa, the NMB has a policy to not release them, and they also have a policy that if they are as close as Amfa claims, they usually call for an election. The initial percentage released In March will give you are more accurate total. And past has shown, 3 to 7% are invalid. Since Amfa claimed early on they filed with 57% of 16,014 you can do the numbers and subtract the percentages of invalid cards.

Don't be fooled into believing the key organizers or even Amfa International, they have been claiming for 6 years or so to have over 50%. At what point is enough , enough of the deception?

All indications is, Amfa has lost their best opportunity to have an election and lost, We are not United, circumstances are different. The card drive looks more like the failed attempt at Eagle. This has been a long 18 months and I look forward to taking a breather.

 

[Calvin]

CIO, it takes more than a quip and lip from Stewart to worry me. I know of AMFA's deceiving ways. It's a good thing AMFA doesn't rate professionalism within its organization.

 

[Calvin]

OOOOOPsssssssss there it is!

 

[fix_airplanes]

You guys are wasting your time arguing about TWU vs AMFA.

If this guy is correct, there won't be any unions at any airline. Instead, maybe you guys should collectivly direct your energy at fixing the "Shared Sarifice" shortcoming.
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Nightly Business report-PBS

09/23/04: One On One With Julius Maldutis, President of Aviation Dynamics

JEFF YASTINE: United Airlines today reported it lost $56 million last month due to lower fares and higher fuel costs. Wall Street analysts widened their forecast for financial losses at American Airlines` parent company AMR (NYSE:AMR) today and tomorrow, U.S. Airways may ask a bankruptcy court to force concessions from the carrier`s labor unions. These developments are adding yet more turbulence to an already rocky airline industry and joining me now to discuss these developments is Julius Maldutis, longtime airline analyst and president of the consulting firm Aviation Dynamics. Julius, welcome back to NIGHTLY BUSINESS REPORT.

JULIUS MALDUTIS, PRESIDENT, AVIATION DYNAMICS: Thank you, good evening.

YASTINE: Let`s talk about U.S. Airways for a second. They`re already in bankruptcy. They want to force more wage and benefit concessions from their unions, let`s suppose they get those concessions. Does that really help U.S. Airways in their competitive position?

MALDUTIS: It will only be temporary. I believe that USAir is in deep financial trouble. I think they made a strategic mistake in reducing their hub at Pittsburgh which is going to just multiply their losses. So I think it`s one of the first carriers that`s going to be liquidated by this time next year.

YASTINE: So you say one of the first carriers you`re expecting not just these sorts of bankruptcies where they continue to operate. You`re expecting more liquidations where the assets of the entity are sold off entirely.

MALDUTIS: Absolutely. Just look back at what happened in the early 1990s when three airlines were liquidated, Pan Am, Eastern and Braniff and set the stage for the industry`s recovery.

YASTINE: What are the names that you think are candidates for liquidation? I think I can guess them, if you`re saying U.S. Airways, United is already in bankruptcy and Delta (NYSE😀AL) is threatening bankruptcy.

MALDUTIS: Well, very good question. The critical question is that if Delta joins the other two carriers in bankruptcy, then the remaining three airlines: American, Continental (NYSE:CAL) and Northwest (NASDAQ:NWAC), in order to maintain cost parity, will also have to file bankruptcy and once in bankruptcy, then I think it`s going to be a free-for-all how many of these carriers really come out of financial reorganization and how many get liquidated. I would guess that again, two or possibly three airline will be liquidated by this time next year.

YASTINE: Does that mean then that the discounters, the Jetblues (NASDAQ:JBLU) and Southwest (NYSE:LUV) - they`re the winners and we all just sort of walk away from this or is there any future yet left for these legacy airlines or what`s left after these liquidations go through?

MALDUTIS: What`s left is they`re going to be very competitive, very strong and they will give the low cost airlines -- the Jetblues, Southwest, the AirTrans (NYSE:AAI), the Spirits who today are leading the industry and they are part of the problem in that they are charging very low fares. So if the legacy airlines can reorganize in bankruptcy, then they can make a go of it and compete with the low cost airlines.

YASTINE: What`s going on here with the legacy airlines? It seems like no matter what happens if there is just a minor tick in the economy, all sorts of chaos happens and they wind up in bankruptcy again like we see with U.S. Airways. Is it all about fuel costs and squeezing the unions for yet more wage and benefit concessions?

MALDUTIS: I`d like to say labor is not the problem but labor unfortunately has to be the solution to the problem. The problem is that the low cost airlines today constitute about 30 percent of the industry. They offer rock bottom fares because they have the lowest cost, they have the most productive employees and the legacy of full network carriers have to change and the only way they`re going to change is if either labor assists them or they will end up going into Chapter 11 and the judge will then do it.

YASTINE: Would you be buying the discount airlines here?

MALDUTIS: No, I would not because I believe that when we get additional carriers that go into bankruptcy, they will be able to compete successfully against the low cost companies. I would not own any airline shares today.

YASTINE: All right. Julius, we appreciate your time with the program.

MALDUTIS: Thank you.

 

[Bob Owens]

[post="184041"][/post]​

I love how these stories always aviod the fact that SWA pays better than than the "legacy" carriers and when the dust settles will likely be the only "Low cost" carrier left.

After being in this industry for 25 years I've seen this whole cycle before. Its a lot like the Ponzi scheme. Every time those pyramid schemes come out they twist it a little, they dont call it a pyramid, they call it a Christmas tree or a
money club". People get suckered in every time.

Back in the ealy 80s it was Freddy Laker. His "Skytrain" was going to permanently change the industry. Laker was going to take over. Where is Laker Airways now?

Later it was "Peoples Express". A new concept where the employees "owned the airline". A portion of their already low wages were used to buy company stock. Other airlines that were headed for extinction took up this ponzi scheme too. UAL for one and more recently AA, where for 120,000 in concession we will get 400 shares of stock. The stock which was valued at $5 per share at the time (which is in addtion to the $120,000 in concession) would have to go to over $300/share in order to make up for what we paid for it.

So far, with the exception of SWA, airline employees have not fared well in these Ponzi schemes.

Make your money, never give back wages in exchange for promises in a company that already admits it cant afford to pay you. People are going to fly, someone has to fly, feed, fix, load and clean. Labor will always be needed, we need unions that will fight to ensure that those who provide the labor needed get fair compensation for the work they do and the sacrifices they make. Each classification must look at their profession from an industrial veiw, not as simply an employee of one company, and need to be in one union that will preserve the rates across the industry so that workers are not put in a race to the bottom. The concept of underbidding the competition is not a union concept, the union concept is to organize those who are allowing companies to make one group of workers cut the throats of other workers.

 

[scorpion]

CIO says: This has been a long 18 months and I look forward to taking a breather.

That was a warm up, now lets rumble!

 

[scab scraper]

O,yeah i LOVE the color too.....amfa(PUKE) GREEN
TWU.AFI/CIO/ATD=UNION=SCABFREE