Can the West Pilot's go to court?

Charlie,

Go ahead. Pizz off the US Airways pilots even more, spend thousands of dollars in legal fees, and then watch the US Airways pilots negotiate per the Transition Agreement, but for some reason never reach a deal.

Moreover, I understand that is exactly what the company wants and ALPA East told management to stay out of this fight. Why? The company would like nothing better to keep the pilot groups separate, not give either group a raise, and then be able to "whip saw" the America West pilots.

Again, the only way out of this is for the US Airways and America West MEC to negotiate a settlement. It's your choice because to a man and woman the US Airways pilots are perfectly happy to remain separate.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Charlie,

Go ahead. Pizz off the US Airways pilots even more, spend thousands of dollars in legal fees, and then watch the US Airways pilots negotiate per the Transition Agreement, but for some reason never reach a deal.

Moreover, I understand that is exactly what the company wants and ALPA East told management to stay out of this fight. Why? The company would like nothing better to keep the pilot groups separate, not give either group a raise, and then be able to "whip saw" the America West pilots.

Again, the only way out of this is for the US Airways and America West MEC to negotiate a settlement. It's your choice because to a man and woman we are perfectly happy to remain separate.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

"whip saw" :p

"It's your choice because to a man and woman we are perfectly happy to remain separate."

That explains much... :lol:
 
Does anyone else get the feeling that AQUA-Tuna are some of the only WEST people on here ranting and raving... The best part is, you can obviously see by their words they are scared sh*tless... My suggestion to the west is (take your east brothers serious or you will end up without a job or any seniority...) this situation can get ugly VERY quickly and has every reason to get ugly.. AQUA - i truly hope that you are not revealed - you will have severe consequences to pay for all your insensitivity, and it is just a guess but I am sure you will be blacklisted - at least i sure hope you are...

Now this is truly a post of entertainment...it has such a Springer tone to it

"My suggestion to the west is (take your east brothers serious or you will end up without a job or any seniority...) "

"AQUA - i truly hope that you are not revealed - you will have severe consequences to pay for all your insensitivity"

"and it is just a guess but I am sure you will be blacklisted"

I had no idea USAir hired soda-slinging insurgents! :lol:
 
If we never get married,

The seniority list is the list you will have to live by as agreed to by your MEC and ours through the arbitration process. Go ahead and take all your marbles home, keep posting for therapeutic means, and keep that head of yours deep in the sand. Reality is this agreement was administered by an arbitrator. The America West pilots from the beginning wanted to negotiate a fair integration, the east pilots handed us back a stapler. That isn't the way you negotiate and all that the America West pilots got out of this deal was we avoided being stapled to your list which is how your side defines "fair".
The arbitrator, the pilot neutrals and I imagine most of the pilot community saw right through your greed. Justice triumphed.
 
Jim,

Thanks for the clairification. Maybe I didn't word it right, but I got the basis for my understanding. As with all posts about this issue, emotions have been running high, and tempers quick. Jim said it best a while back. Maybe we just need to sit back and see how things play out over the next few months.

Just my opinion...
 
Thanks for the clairification.
I'm probably just nit-picking, but as I responded to USA320 last night, I've seen all these threats of actions based on apparent confusion about some pretty narrow distinctions. A lower cost contract = a lower cost pilot group is a prime example.

Just want to keep the "definitions" straight.....

Jim
 
Go ahead and take all your marbles home, keep posting for therapeutic means, and keep that head of yours deep in the sand.

Regardless of how one feels about the award, make no mistake it is reality and it will be implemented. This isn't the first time someone has thought they were smarter than the system and could undermine the NMB. The only reason the NMB rules with such finality is because its prior rulings withstood these exact sort of situations.
 
Does anyone else get the feeling that AQUA-Tuna are some of the only WEST people on here ranting and raving... The best part is, you can obviously see by their words they are scared sh*tless... My suggestion to the west is (take your east brothers serious or you will end up without a job or any seniority...) this situation can get ugly VERY quickly and has every reason to get ugly.. AQUA - i truly hope that you are not revealed - you will have severe consequences to pay for all your insensitivity, and it is just a guess but I am sure you will be blacklisted - at least i sure hope you are...

Ok and what will happen to you and all the east employees??? The fact is this issue is over and you, they can do as you wish. Scream, stomp, hold your breath, throw a full temper tantrum but the award stays!! Do what you will but we on the west will not move one bit. We tried over and over to get you people to come to a fair solution and you refused. It's the principle of the matter now. Tear it down if you want but you get hurt too...
 
Ok and what will happen to you and all the east employees??? The fact is this issue is over and you, they can do as you wish. Scream, stomp, hold your breath, throw a full temper tantrum but the award stays!! Do what you will but we on the west will not move one bit. We tried over and over to get you people to come to a fair solution and you refused. It's the principle of the matter now. Tear it down if you want but you get hurt too...


Pilots are like gorillas. They get angry and they beat on their chest. You are all the same. This too shall pass. No worries. The East pilots will come down and start licking their own arses like the rest of you. :p
 
Pilots are like gorillas. They get angry and they beat on their chest. You are all the same. This too shall pass. No worries. The East pilots will come down and start licking their own arses like the rest of you. :p

Dude... us East guys are so old we can't even tie our shoes without throwing PVCs'; how are we going to get anywhere near the batty? B)
 
I'm probably just nit-picking, but as I responded to USA320 last night, I've seen all these threats of actions based on apparent confusion about some pretty narrow distinctions. A lower cost contract = a lower cost pilot group is a prime example.

Just want to keep the "definitions" straight.....

Jim
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I know the east has lower rates per hour. Would you be insinuating that east pilot costs are higher over all. Higher than west that is?
 
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I know the east has lower rates per hour. Would you be insinuating that east pilot costs are higher over all. Higher than west that is?

My take is that Jim is simply saying that noone really knows where things would go if some of the bravado is acted upon. That goes for all, east and west. Forseeing every twist and turn is beyond all of our paygrades.

This is not pretty for anyone involved.
 
My take is that Jim is simply saying that noone really knows where things would go if some of the bravado is acted upon. That goes for all, east and west. Forseeing every twist and turn is beyond all of our paygrades.

This is not pretty for anyone involved.
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Probably lots of handwringing from alpa, then nothing.

I believe "Binding" is the operative word...

Its disheartining to say the least for the east pilots not to be able to garner the east attrition. However nobody should expect gains to be at the expense of the west...

This is where the arbitrator failed in my opinion. Not leaving clear and concise protections for both sides, along with some hoped for advances both east and west...

At least the east has bases in undesirable (my opinion only) locations. Maybe that is what the arb was thinking!!

Who in their right mind would leave PHX for PHL/CLT??
 
QUOTE(USA320Pilot @ May 11 2007, 12:56 AM) *

Charlie,

Go ahead. Pizz off the US Airways pilots even more, spend thousands of dollars in legal fees, and then watch the US Airways pilots negotiate per the Transition Agreement, but for some reason never reach a deal.

Moreover, I understand that is exactly what the company wants and ALPA East told management to stay out of this fight. Why? The company would like nothing better to keep the pilot groups separate, not give either group a raise, and then be able to "whip saw" the America West pilots.

Again, the only way out of this is for the US Airways and America West MEC to negotiate a settlement. It's your choice because to a man and woman the US Airways pilots are perfectly happy to remain separate.

Regards,

USA320Pilot


You just provided Jerry Glass with Exhibit A in his Bad Faith Bargaining complaint against US ALPA.

Shrewd, very shrewd! Nit Wit :down:

Yep, not smart there USA320Pilot...

And those who believe that whatever is written on the web is consider "just" an opinion, and could not be used against you legally...? OH BOY!!!

Have you heard of subpoenas for IP addresses? All the Company needs is a judge to issue one and this site has to give all and every requested info re: any user.

As matter of fact, I believe that several Westies got suspended, section 19ed, and all kinds of other problems several years ago, for posting Ilegal Job Actions on a "private" web board.

Myspace.com, AOL, YouTube get several hundreds of these a month for LEA investigations. Its standard stuff guys, so I'll watch what I say, and how I add "fuel to the fire". It could come back and BURN you.

Look: Google Search

It's a fact that Dougie and friends (Co negotiators, etc.) DO get digested posts from ALPA and other sites, and that info could be used to their advantage!

GL
 

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