I was crew chief in the hangar in Tulsa. The first round of layoffs all the guys on my line went to either DFW or AFW. The second round, which had higher seniority than the first round, most on my line had to bump to JFK, ORD, BOS, LGA and LAX. You were one of the lucky few who were able to go to DFW but most did not get that option. I stand by what I said. The first round had better options than the second. Because you got your first choice does not make that statement untrue.
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at the Tulsa Burger Burns. I showed company court documents to anyone who would listen and these documents showed Tulsa shrinking year over year but to all the "yes" voters in Tulsa I guess John Hewitt was right! You listen to the wrong people.
Chuck the facts are there for all to see. You provided all this information to anyone who would listen. Unfortunately we tend to believe what we want to. Hewett and others were telling these guys what they wanted to hear. I confronted Hewett at two of his town hall meetings at Tulsa and he actually did not try to lie. The bad thing is most of the people at the meetings seemed to be no voters so the sheep didn't get the truth. He actually admitted that there would be no jobs saved in the long run and that the contract would keep some in jobs just a few months longer. I asked if it was smart to sacrifice careers for everyone to keep a few in a job for a couple of months and he said yes. But the information was out there. It was obvious the TWU was selling us out and Tulsa has nobody to blame but themselves. Tulsa voted 74% yes. My biggest regret is that we fell about 25 votes short of voting it down and if I had stood out by the front gate holding my vote no sign a couple of more days maybe some more people would have voted no.Chuck Schalk said:
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Somehow I get the feeling that even if 25 more would have voted NO we would still have been told that if passed by 25 votes. the fact is the International wanted that deal in place and they were going to get it in place one way or another. The International never released a detailed breakdown of the votes did they?
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C'mon Thomas, we have never seen the TWU deceive the membership to suit the Internationals desires..have we? Seriously though, I agree it's not so much how many votes as who is counting the votes.
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Who said DFW was my first choice? TPA was my first choice. You can stand by what you said all day long Old Guy, but it's inaccurate, and not factual. Read your original post; you said LAX, ORD, JFK, and LGA. I can think of 19 of us who bumped DFW in Nov '93, and I believe the actual number was 48. You can stand by your statement all day long, but several bumped into DFW, which contradicts your original statement. There are currently 4 of us original bumps left, 90% went back to TULE, and one died a few years ago. Believe me Old Guy, we're truly here...not in LAX, ORD, JFK, or LGA.....OldGuy@AA said:
You believe there were 48 who bumped DFW? How many were laid off in the second round? If I remember correctly it was around 400. So 48 people got to bump to DFW out of that many? So at least 352 people had to bump elsewhere. So I guess you were one of the lucky ones. Congratulations. I knew the guys from my line went to LAX, 1 guy got John Wayne, JFK, LGA and ORD. Two went to BOS. But by far the first round was mostly DFW and AFW. But I guess you figure 48 people from the second round was a significant amount. Rest assured there will not be much bumping into DFW now. All the new hires are in JFK and LGA. You should be safe. Also I have seen the new A-25 test and that will protect you also. I just wonder how many of you could pass it. My guess is not many.Bloodhound said:
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Want to share what an A-25 test is for those of us not in the know?
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It has nothing to do with what I believe. There were 48 of us who bumped DFW in Nov of '93. In fact today, I thought of 2 more names to faces which makes my total 21. One became a Level 5 General Foreman and quit a number of years later. If I can think of 21, after the last 20 years of skydrol fumes, jet blast, and BS from mngt's mouth, I'd say we can rest assured, there are definitely more LOL!OldGuy@AA said:
And, there were 250 who got laid off in that round, not 400, which makes 19% who bumped DFW....I don't know what to tell ya brother, but those are the numbers. I was involved in it, and my life was twisted and changed because of it, and here I am, so whatever.
And I agree with you, there probably won't be much bumping into DFW NOW, as you said. However, if a 60% reduction in TULE headcount which is the rumor through 2017, then I might be forced to bump to JFK!! Who knows? It's quite obvious TULE's days are severely numbered.
I don't really know where you're going with the statement that you don't think many of us line mechanics could pass an A25 line test though. That seems a little silly. Do you have no faith in line mechanics who've been keeping these birds in the air, along with OH AMT's, all these years Old Guy? That's a very strange statement....
I have all the faith in the world in the line mechanics. I just think the test is much longer and harder than it needs to be. Have you looked at it? I would like for you to look at it and tell me how easy it would be for anyone. I especially would like to see a new hire line mechanic pass it, but the purpose is to keep the Tulsa guys from bumping. Don't try to make this into a line vs Overhaul thing. It is an AA/TWU attempt to deny bumping rights to senior mechanics. They do it to me and you are fine with it, but then they will get around to doing it to you. I'm sure you won't be happy. As far as the layoffs we all have different memories. I just know I lost half my crew the first round and there were replacements moved in to take their place, then I lost half of them again. I also knew where they were offered bumps. If you want to continue to argue or try to start an argument between line and overhaul, then you belong in the TWU international.
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I actually have not seen it Old Guy, but it'd be interesting to check out though. I'll definitely check it out and get back to you. Without having seen it, I have a hard time seeing how a line mechanic worth a hill of beans failing it though. But, who knows? When we bumped into DFW, there were 5 or 6 B checks here, and they wouldn't let any mechanic bid the line til they'd passed the test; a class 1 station procedure at the time. We also had SIX MONTHS to make an attempt to pass the test!! How it is now? I have no clue.OldGuy@AA said:
And, Old Guy, "I" am NOT making an attempt to "continue" or "try to start an argument" between line and O/H. YOU, my friend, made the statement that "Very Few" Line mechanics could pass the test in YOUR opinion. That's why I made the statement that it seemed a little silly for you to say that... Don't turn this around on me...Good Lord!!!
And, for the record, I'm not a TWU fan, much less a candidate for the International as you seem to think. I've signed AMFA cards since my first days in TULE in 1991. Here we go again....this is one thing about this forum that sucks. An intelligent thread starts, then is transformed into a TWU/AMFA thrashing/bashing battle. Watch a thread start about the new engine oil serving program on the line, and suddenly Bob Owens turns it into how the TWU *^&***ked it up and AMFA could've done it better. Not that this is what YOU Old Guy have done with our correspondence, but you've come close claiming that I need to be in the international. That's a bunch of malarkey dude.....you don't even know me. Have a good day Old Guy 😀
