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The IAM and the TWU membership didn't negotiate or agree to any alliance.
Therein LIES the problem.
Bye bye Tulsa
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The IAM and the TWU membership didn't negotiate or agree to any alliance.
Therein LIES the problem.
The membership doesnt negotiate the CBA either do they?
You will get a chance to vote on it and make your decision that way, just like a CBA.
The members have to approve the alliance.
Its so amazing that you guys can fix million dollar aircraft, yet you lack basic comprehension skills to understand what you read and the process of the alliance.
You will get a chance to vote on it and make your decision that way, just like a CBA.
The members have to approve the alliance.
Its so amazing that you guys can fix million dollar aircraft, yet you lack basic comprehension skills to understand what you read and the process of the alliance.
OK then here is another term..... REVENUE SHARING!!!
No offense, Have you been an Ass your entire life?
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This is another attempt to manipulate the membership. The afl-cio is trying to prevent fighting within its ranks. The bottom line is that if a group whether it is the twu or the iam continues to lose membership through mergers they will get pissed and leave the afl-cio. If this happens the afl-cio loses,so they arranged this crap that they call an association. If the membership really had a voice in this the ballot would not be rigged by not allowing the choices of twu or iam on it. What the membership does not know is that the twu and the iam is telling the NMB what to put on the ballot. By only putting three choices of association,no union or other they or attemting to funnel the votes to the association. You are on these forums trying to sway the membership out of an act of desperation to save your job. If the iam loses and the twu takes over all groups M&R,stores and fleet the iam might have to cut some of there dead wood at the int level.
700, Now write this one down; you are 100% correct sir. The membership does not negotiate the CBA or this alliance, merger or combination of the TWU and IAM. It is completely out of their control. Whereas if AMFA was their representational union they would have a say-so in both rather they would even come to a vote, with AMFA it would have never even got off the ground to be able to come to a vote. Also gentlemen; let's not forget that the NMB, and I quote: " The NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and does not conduct such elections."
However, if you guys do get a ballot with the "other option being a write-in option" then by all means write-in AMFA and finally rid yourselves of the TWU at AA. Don't worry about the US guys until after the merger. You know it's funny how you say the membership will have there say-so, but you were the one posting that only a "for the association" vote or "no-union" vote will be accepted 700. It took 2 weeks of hounding to finally get you to admit there would be a 3rd option of "other" then it took you yet another week to admit that the "other" option is only "speak-in" and as you know it would also mean "write-in". You are deceptive with all your post 700, you are purposely trying to keep the members confused and scared of a possible "no-union" result just to "force" your membership to vote for the association/alliance what ever you wish to call it this month. And I firmly believe that if this alliance, association, merger or combination (again what-ever you choose to call it this time) is controlled by the union, they WILL control the options on the ballots in order to force their membership to vote in the TWU/IAM, However, let's not forget the response back from the NMB, in writing, that they " The NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and does not conduct such elections." I encourage all of you involved to write and call the NMB and verify this for yourselves. Nice try to confuse us all out here saying the membership will have a say-so, Pathetic I tell you, pathetic...
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Oh, but the membership should be able to negotiate their CBA.
Are you a believer that you know whats best for the membership even though
the TWU or IAM negotiators will not have to work under that CBA?
Sorry, the only thing the TWU and the IAM negotiators know how to work under is their masters desk.
My comprehension skills are just fine. I know exactly when I'm getting screwed.
It scares me when the company and union are negotiating, what are we giving up next? Maybe losing TUL would be the best thing for the mechanics of AA in the long run.
The majors have been outsourcing OH for nearly a decade now, and it doesn't look like it's coming back.
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I would have to disagree. Tulsa has very low unemployment (5.3%) and a large manufacturing sector.
It should scare you. With all the "behind close door" deals the TWU has done with the company as well as "agreeing" to and "selling" the "agreement" to the members knowing that Tulsa will be brought to their knees with a reduction of more than 65% by 2017, starting, it looks like, in Jan 2014 with over 400 too many heads. I know exactly what you mean by " Maybe losing TUL would be the best thing for the mechanics of AA in the long run." And it very well would be better for the remaining mechanics at Tulsa, however, I would hate anyone (mechanic or not) to lose their job due to no control themselves even if they voted yes or no for it, IT should have NEVER been an option on the table. The TWU sold the majority of the mechanics and related down the tubes agreeing to such language and then pushing, selling and forcing it to the membership. If this is the type of representation you guys want to continue to receive, then by all means keep the TWU and vote for the alliance. The TWU did the very same thing in the 2003 "agreement" as well as other contracts for the past decades of representation at AA...
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True........but Tulsa, OK is the low wage capital of the nation. Additionally, most companies in that town, want nothing to do with commerical aviation mechanics, regardless of your experience in that industry-particularly American furloughs. They've learned the hard way, the mechs ALWAYS go back to AA(or another airline asap.) -AA knows this as well....(if ya know what I mean).
$15/hr is good money for a Tulsa hourly employee. You hit $20/hr(highly unlikely)---you're in the big money in that town.
Yes...there are exceptions, but above is the truth. And gen most mechs/blue collar folks will start-at around $14/hr + paltry benes. Some of the guys at AA are going to be in for a BIG surprise. I learned all this the hard way.....IOWs, been there done it.
Couple of times :-/
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I will assume that when you say Tulsa, OK is the low wage capitol of the nation you are referring to cities AA actually services. I will agree with your analysis that most companies do not want to hire a furloughed AA mechanic (or any furloughed AA employee for that matter). It is true that MOST of the time they will go back if recalled. Is that really different in any other city though? I kind of doubt it.
I would agree that 15 dollars an hour here probably IS good money for blue or nonprofessional white collar jobs of most types. Of course as you stated before, there are some exceptions. I think the reason it is so hard to find decent paying blue collar work here is because we are flooded with a combination of temp services and an illegal work force. A perfect one two punch to lower wages and no benefits.
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What is a tragedy these days is how many of you have degraded and dismissed the welders and machinist in this industry, yet AA cannot find any to hire and they attempt to upgrade but mostly fail. Not to mention there are billboards along the highways in Tulsa about welding and machinist jobs, and nearly every good paying company in the area has head hunters being paid to recruit these skills. Not that welding, and machining means anymore than your A&P, but the fact is these skills are much harder to hire or replace than yours are right now.
