Blended Seniority List...have you seen it?!?

[Dignity]

Don't forget that TWA was treated ever so slightly better than Reno was. Reno was "purchased" in Dec. 1998 and all of their current F/A's didn't get seniority dates till Aug. 31st, 1999. How come all the people that complain about TWA being messed over aren't/weren't on here chiming in for Reno back then? Double standard?

probably because the website may have not existed? (would be my first guess) or probably maybe they werent even a member able to post comments? (would be my second)

The IAM is the one that owes TWA F/A's an explanation, NOT AA/APFA.

I believe its all three, including an apology (if it hasnt already been given)

Even after all these years and the dismissals of the lawsuits NO judge has thought these "promises" were valid or not followed.

because the language was forfeited based on a promise (the mistake), the judge would have no other alternative.

Don't forget that AA did to TWA what they did to Reno just 2 years earlier, so they shouldn't have been surprised or caught off guard.

so now it falls back on the Flight Attendants.. because that may suggest they werent paying attention?

In regards to the "new law" don't think a staple job couldn't happen again. It isn't very likely, but it could happen again under the right circumstances. The law doesn't preclude that from ever happening again, it just makes binding arbitration mandatory if there is no agreement from both sides on seniority integration.

as long as arbitration is now an option..

 

[tech2101]

I thought this was a Delta Air Lines board. :unsure:

 

[Dignity]

I thought

I think the topic is seniority.

 

[tech2101]

I think the topic is seniority.

So you are going to beat the TWA/AA/Reno horse some more then.

Enjoy!

 

[Dignity]

So you are going to beat the TWA/AA/Reno horse some more then.

Enjoy!

What kind of seniority did TWAers get when they joined American?

someone asked as question?

I thought.

 

[tech2101]

Looking at the list , before blended, it looked like close to 300 were "old-timers" and almost 500 were hired 2005 and later !

How did they integrate the NWA techs into the Delta list?

 

[Dignity]

How did they integrate the NWA techs into the Delta list?

we welcome them with open arms.

D.O.H. ?

(or at least that what they seem to want to do.. for all the other non-pilot groups)

 

[tech2101]

D.O.H. ?

(or at least that what they seem to want to do.. for all the other non-pilot groups)

I know NWA had many different classifications before the strike. I carried seniority in 2 classifications (Lead Technician and Technician). How did/does that coincide with the Delta lists?

I know it may be a moot point, because there is no longer a union, so seniority can be overridden if Management sees fit...

 

[Dignity]

I know NWA had many different classifications before the strike. I carried seniority in 2 classifications (Lead Technician and Technician). How did/does that coincide with the Delta lists?

well,

a Flight Attendant may also have Purser or L.O.D. in addition to being a regular Flight Attendant. So I would assume it would be similar in regards to bidding..

there is one list and then the individual bids in seniority order based on their unique qualifications/classifications.

I know it may be a moot point, because there is no longer a union, so seniority can be overridden if Management sees fit...

in a way,

on that issue..

they must follow seniority rather closely or how it should be outlined since they have managed to keep a union out . I would assume had they violated seniority or changed it on a whim, that would have been an reason to justify..making one seriously consider the need for representation.. which for some reason does not seem to present itself for that group or (the majority).

 

[southwind]

I know NWA had many different classifications before the strike. I carried seniority in 2 classifications (Lead Technician and Technician). How did/does that coincide with the Delta lists?

I know it may be a moot point, because there is no longer a union, so seniority can be overridden if Management sees fit...

But, as in the past, even when NOT represented by a union, Delta intergrates employees by D.O.H. !

As far as 2 classifications , I doubt seriously that if you were in a tech position, that you would bump a lower D.O.H. Tech Lead out of that position, unless there were an opening!

 

[700UW]

Ask the Pan Am people about how DL intergrated them, but you wont see DOH?

What about Western?

 

[Dignity]

Ask the Pan Am people about how DL intergrated them, but you wont see DOH?

What about Western?

Pan Am AMT's who came over to Delta got full pay and bennie credit from day one. Senority for bidding and layoffs were given in 1/3 increments. After three years they had full time. I.E. if someone had 21 years as an AMT with Pan Am they got 21 year pay and bennies and in there first year had 7 years for bidding, in there second 15 and in there third year 23 years.

Southwind may have been referring to the above?

maybe someone can fill you in on Western, but since this appears to have already been discussed, maybe it was just overlooked regarding AMT.

 

[T5towbar]

No matter how you slice it, this is going to be a very, VERY touchy issue of seniority.
Past examples of cases weren't pretty, and now you are going into a whole different ballpark of several large workgroups trying to come together. Plus with the representation issues too, I don't know how it's going to be worked out.....

All I hope is you all will come to some sort of agreement where everyone gets a sense of fairness, and no one gets "stapled" to the bottom.

Seniority is EVERYTHING in this business!
After everything else is taken from us, its all we got!

 

[southwind]

No matter how you slice it, this is going to be a very, VERY touchy issue of seniority.
Past examples of cases weren't pretty, and now you are going into a whole different ballpark of several large workgroups trying to come together. Plus with the representation issues too, I don't know how it's going to be worked out.....

All I hope is you all will come to some sort of agreement where everyone gets a sense of fairness, and no one gets "stapled" to the bottom.

Seniority is EVERYTHING in this business!
After everything else is taken from us, its all we got!

Agreed !

Am I happy about people who crossed a picket line coming over......................NO!
Can I do anything about it.........................NO!
Can we use the term "Scab" on DL property...........................Yes! and immediately be terminated !

 

[brokenwrench]

Ask the Pan Am people about how DL intergrated them, but you wont see DOH?

What about Western?

I have already answered the Pan AM question regarding amt's.

The Western AMT's got DOH, as it was a merger, not an acquisition as Pan Am was.

Although non-union Delta abides by seniority just like any union airline I have worked for.