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[ClueByFour]

Now it seems as if US Airways has "spurned" United's recent offer, most likely for third party investor to fund another corporate transaction, and the Arlington-based company has selected America West instead.

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Well, not quite. They found someone hell bent on acquiring something (HP) who would listen. "selected" implies a choice--US does not have those.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

I can't understand how this guy can slam his unit in the door soooo many times, and continue to post here.

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What unit?

 

[USA320Pilot]

767jetz:

How many times do you have to read a column discussing that US Airways had repeated discussions with United management regarding a corporate transaction? David Bronner said in four separate interviews that he was interested in using RSA funds to buy United assets for US Airways, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette wrote a column earlier this month and said that a former US Airways exeuctive confirmed US Airways - United talks for the past two years (if my memory servers me correctly), and then today Dave Siegel is quoted in the Pittsburgh paper again talking about United talks.

Moreover, just prior to leaving the company while riding on my jumpseat Siegel told our entire crew about the UCT & ICT.

The "good news" is that if something doesn't change there will not be a corporate combination between US Airways and United, now that the Arlington-based carrier has "spurned" United's request to once again have a deal. Evidently Brononer is no longer interested in helping United emerge from bankruptcy, which I understand is now very much in question.

According to today's New York Times United's pension issue is still unresolved even with the PBGC agreement, there is the S.1113 trial in two weeks, there is no exit financing in-place and fuel costs are killing United. Nonetheless, it will be interesting seeing how this unfolds.

No spin pal, just the facts, whether you like them or not.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[Walmartgreeter]

767jetz:


Moreover, just prior to leaving the company while riding on my jumpseat Siegel told our entire crew about the UCT & ICT.


I do not doubt your comments about the "UCT and ICT." But your credibility suffers when you reference a man the likes of Siegel. That particular rodent-like individual has no redeeming qualities, and managed in his short tenure to alienate not only the pilots (who he lied to), but the rest of the employees, the local pols in PIT, the state pols in PA, and even our reps at Congress. I can only hope you do not hold our current leadership in the same regard as you did Siegal. Mark.

 

[767jetz]

Evidently Brononer is no longer interested in helping United emerge from bankruptcy,

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Your understanding of UA's situation is beyond pathetic. Perhaps your judgement is skewed by jealousy as your aspirations to fly a United Widebody continues to evaporate!

 

[767jetz]

How many times do you have to read a column discussing that US Airways had repeated discussions with United management regarding a corporate transaction?

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How many times do you have to be told that there is huge difference between wishing something would happen, and actually having a reasonable chance of attaining that thing??

1st example: Bronner wants to buy UA assets and says so publicly. Reality = Snowball’s chance in Hell.

2nd example: USA320pilot wants to fly a UA widebody and take a position at United that he didn’t earn. Reality = Snowball’s chance in Hell.

See the similarity??

NODOBY ever said there was no discussion going on. However, the discussions were far different than you describe them. Glen Tilton sat on my jumpseat and told me that your speculations were WAY off base. I believe the word he used was ridiculous. According to your own Siegel, US wanted to sell assets to UA, not the other way around.
US didn't want to be the awkward teenager who goes home disappointed, which implies a sense of desperation, not domination.

Your implication that UA’s exit is in question is wishful thinking on your part.

Here’s a quote for you from the Associated Press:
“United said the agreement is a "linchpin" in the airline's attempt to obtain between $2 billion to $2.5 billion in exit financing.â€

Or this from the Wall Street Journal:
“UAL , based in Chicago, said the agreement would keep it on track to step out of court protection as "a sustainable, competitive enterprise for the long term" and would narrow the number of issues to come to the bankruptcy court at a trial on May 11.â€

Or this from Reuters:
"It is a development that enables the company to now move forward toward the conclusion of the restructuring and our exit from Chapter 11," he said. "I don't think it accelerates it, but I think it affirms the dates that we have mentioned most recently."

Or another from the AP:
“A US Airways liquidation could also be particularly helpful to United Airlines by giving it a better chance of securing financingâ€

And:
"We are now seeing the appearance of increasing desperate measures on the part of US Airways," said Robert W. Mann, owner of an airline consulting firm based in Port Washington, N.Y., who added that something has to happen for US Airways to "avoid getting the plug pulled on it."

Care to send another PM calling me a liar? Most people who read your cr@p know the truth. Just like most US pilots I’ve talked to (great people by the way) who know you personally just roll their eyes at the mention of your name.

Those are facts, whether YOU like them or not.

 

[767jetz]

What unit?

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Awesome, Lark!

 

[usfliboi]

poor 767 he is in denial

 

[USA320Pilot]

Walmartgreeter:

I was fooled by Dave Siegel and publicly admitted my mistake. I believe Bill Pollock "sugar coated" his comments about DAve Siegel to Dan Fitzpatrick.

My comment about United and Siegel was to simply report what he said to our crew.

Separately, there are growing reports on Wall Street that many informed people believe the Chicago-based carrier may not emerge from bankruptcy intact.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[LGA / 037]

I dont know about the rest of you, but compared to my latest paycheck, Mr Siegel SURE THE HELL LOOKS LIKE MR LABOR FRIENDLY NOW !

 

[ClueByFour]

Separately, there are growing reports on Wall Street that many informed people believe the Chicago-based carrier may not emerge from bankruptcy intact.

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Sources, please. The number of "published reports" believing that US will "liquidate" stands on it's own.

Glass houses, stones, all of that kind of thing at 11.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

USA320Pilot, I know. You admitted it to me(and I made no such claim in my post out of respect for your admission) Dave Siegel lied to you. Dave Siegel lied to all of us. Bill Pollock will go down in history, behind the cowards that voted away our pensions WITHOUT representation, as the fuse that lit the bomb that eventually destroyed ALPA. I could care less what happens to UAL, and I DO appreciate your admission of Siegels lies..but you must, for once, admit we work for liars and thieves. Look at today's message from Pollock....the company is now trying to retry a reserve scheduling policy ALREADY won by ALPA in binding arbitration. Liars and thieves every one. I know you will not agree with me, but best to you and yours. Mark.

 

[Finish or Ignore]

Here is a simplistic view that will surely get bashed but go ahead.

Look at the condition/financial situation of U when W&G took over. Compare it to the situation when "Dave" took control. We were on the ropes. Period. Clearly Dave wanted TPG in the drivers seat and it did not happen. Right or wrong I believe Bronner/RSA did not give Dave the latitude or the backing to run the show as he would have preferred. He did go back on some of his promises. It is my opinion that his hand was forced. If Gangwal gets 15 mil to walk then give Dave 20. The whole deal stinks. Let the bashing begin.

 

[AAviator]

What unit?

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His Desperate ICT?

 

[calibrator]

Here is a simplistic view that will surely get bashed but go ahead.

If Gangwal gets 15 mil to walk then give Dave 20. The whole deal stinks. Let the bashing begin.

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"Two wrongs don't make a right" means that it is never right to wrong someone, even if they have wronged you first. Their "wrong" plus your "wrong" together would not make a "right."


It amazes me the upside down world we live in today where things as wrong at this magnitude are justified with little lost minds.


Children go without “goodâ€￾ food, kids without “goodâ€￾ educations, families are wrecked with divorces due to the stress brought on by a few elitist who believe themselves worthy of mulit million dollar contracts without giving a second of thought that taking such a large piece of the pie has very negative consequences that impact what they call the “little peopleâ€￾. They are blinded by their own self-proclaimed glory selves.

Ethics and morals are fed nowadays through huge sewer lines and we all are reaping the rewards of such filth washing over the nation where people like Jerry Springer and Howard Stern are celebrated while innocent handicapped citizens are starved to death, for their own good.

I only hope the young generation sees the light before it goes completely out.