Bankruptcy

[odie01]

....unlimited CS's and sitting around for 8 hours playing the laptop....it's all part of the game so the troops don't rebel with either party....and, our membership is foolish enough to fall for this tactic. Talk about playing cards....no! it's called TWU/AA is playing US like a fiddle. If 11,000 idiots (me included) would get off their arses and show the company and INTL their displeasure with negotiations maybe we wouldn't be guessing on what's going to happen on November 17th!

You hit the nail on the head! Take away the overtime and CS policy, and you will awake a sleeping giant.

 

[Buck]

You hit the nail on the head! Take away the overtime and CS policy, and you will awake a sleeping giant.

Funny you would say that......... waiting?

 

[Overspeed]

So, you want to blame Bob Owens, president of Local 562 for AA managements failure to properly manage the business. You're lucky you can sit at a laptop for 8 hours, and I wouldn't go around and brag about it because one day AA may ban laptops at work, and then what are you gonna do with yourself Overspeed? The fairy tales are two fold....the INTL has colluded with management to punish the AMT's for rejecting the POS T/A, and the company has made everything hunky dorry at work....unlimited CS's and sitting around for 8 hours playing the laptop....it's all part of the game so the troops don't rebel against either party....and, our membership is foolish enough to fall for this tactic. Talk about playing cards....no! it's called TWU/AA is playing US like a fiddle. If 11,000 idiots (me included) would get off their arses and show the company and INTL their displeasure with negotiations maybe we wouldn't be guessing on what's going to happen on November 17th!

I know exactly what will happen. The committee will not move because they are waiting on the pilots to settle. Not worried though, Bob's master plan of asking for release is about to come true. I am sooooo excited to see what happens next...

Oh if i loose my laptop privileges I will go back to playing hearts and crosswords like the old days.

 

[Overspeed]

You hit the nail on the head! Take away the overtime and CS policy, and you will awake a sleeping giant.

A giant mess, yeah there would be a temporary disruption but then the deal cutters and takers would start working their magic. You are assuming that you can park airplanes without repercussions. The locals could get real busy with all those CR1s, 29(f)s, terminations, and TROs. But then maybe not. Maybe AA will cave and then just file BK. Either way you showed them tough guy.

Bob will be asking for release soon then the infamous day of reckoning will be upon us.

 

[787nightmare]

A giant mess, yeah there would be a temporary disruption but then the deal cutters and takers would start working their magic. You are assuming that you can park airplanes without repercussions. The locals could get real busy with all those CR1s, 29(f)s, terminations, and TROs. But then maybe not. Maybe AA will cave and then just file BK. Either way you showed them tough guy.

Bob will be asking for release soon then the infamous day of reckoning will be upon us.

You TWU boys are so scared shitless of a strike or chaos.
Jezzz...

 

[Birdman]

Bob will be asking for release soon then the infamous day of reckoning will be upon us.

O, was Bob elected president of the internAAtional? We agency fee guys are out of the loop.

 

[strikeforce]

I know exactly what will happen. The committee will not move because they are waiting on the pilots to settle. Not worried though, Bob's master plan of asking for release is about to come true. I am sooooo excited to see what happens next...

Oh if i loose my laptop privileges I will go back to playing hearts and crosswords like the old days.

typical answer from a SLUG!

 

[strikeforce]

A giant mess, yeah there would be a temporary disruption but then the deal cutters and takers would start working their magic. You are assuming that you can park airplanes without repercussions. The locals could get real busy with all those CR1s, 29(f)s, terminations, and TROs. But then maybe not. Maybe AA will cave and then just file BK. Either way you showed them tough guy.

Bob will be asking for release soon then the infamous day of reckoning will be upon us.

No, Bob will not get his release and it's because your TWU loving INTL is making a back door deal on your behalf. Never in my life have I been associated with a bunch of cowards!!!!

 

[FWAAA]

More fear, in the meantime mechanics are working tons of overtime on planes that fly full. I hear from mechanics at other carriers it's the same over there as well. Normally the airlines are the first ones hit by a recession but this time they seem to be the only ones not hit, weren't AAs revenues up 9% last quarter? Isn't AA on track to bring in $24 billion this year? How many times has AA brought in as much as $24 billion?

The $24 billion of revenue hasn't happened very often - just once. Current average fares (as shown by AA's mainline yield) are just barely higher than they were a decade ago prior to September 11, 2001. Only by filling many more seats has AA managed to hang on.

In how many years has AMR spent as much as $8.6 billion for fuel? Answer? Never. Not even in 2008.

No, I pay my bills and do without, I would not refurbish my terminals and buy nearly 500 new planes if I could not afford it. I would not write a blank check to the IT department either, nor would I install unneeded mods on planes I'm planning on dumping, or buy tablets that the mechanics don't want or any of the other things that AA has been doing to burn money. AA has been spending money like a drunken sailor for years, and you just accept it as an excuse not to pay us a fair wage, I don't.
AA seems to be able to afford anything and everything except paying us what we earned.
You said that every other airline union that took chances in BK is not better off than before, well are we better off than we were before the threat of BK?

AMR is on track to lose about $1.2 billion or more this year. The 500 plane order has nothing to do with this year's loss. All of the other "waste, fraud and abuse" that you allege (terminals, current new plane deliveries, aircraft mods, etc) account for a trivial amount of that loss. AA has the highest flight deck block hour cost in the industry. AA has the highest FA cost per ASM in the industry. According to WT, AA has the highest maintenance costs per ASM in the industry (as reported to the DOT). According to Vaughn Cordle, AA's labor costs would be $900 million less each year if its labor costs matched Delta's. According to Cordle, AA's labor costs would be $2.2 billion less per year if AA enjoyed the labor cost structure of USAir.

AA's line mechanics deserve higher hourly pay than they currently receive. And AMR's gross revenues have nothing to do with it. AMR's net loss or amount spent on new planes or terminals or aircraft mods have nothing to do with it. Blame for the failure to obtain higher hourly pay rests squarely at the feet of the worthless union and its ineffective negotiators.

 

[strikeforce]

Blame for the failure to obtain higher hourly pay rests squarely at the feet of the worthless union and its ineffective negotiators.

You've GOT that right! I think a better word than ineffective is "collusion". The TWU INTL, along with certain local presidents truly thought they could shove another concessionary deal down our throats, and when it was rejected by 2/3 it really threw them for a loop, and I think they, along with AA are really having a hard time figuring out ways to pass a POS T/A. They definitely have some on edge with this "release" letter writing campaign deadline, but for those that can see through the non-sense (like me) it's a non-issue because the cherades will play out in a few days and somehow (like congress) the TWU and AA will meet this deadline by passing another POS T/A.....closely mirroring Fleets. I think this forum has been extremely beneficial for the members because they feel and hear the BS regarding the TWU leadership and it's definitely hurting the leadership and AA. So, thank you airline forum for giving the members a chance to fight our own representatives that were hired to represent US, but instead have chosen to represent their own interests and the interests of American Airlines!

 

[Rogallo]

Only by filling many more seats has AA managed to hang on.

Yeah, they're hanging on alright!!

 

[Overspeed]

No, Bob will not get his release and it's because your TWU loving INTL is making a back door deal on your behalf. Never in my life have I been associated with a bunch of cowards!!!!

Cowards? The committee is more of a coward. They won't get off their backsides until the pilots settle. Why? Could it be they can only negotiate after someone else leads the way?

 

[TWU informer]

I know exactly what will happen. The committee will not move because they are waiting on the pilots to settle. Not worried though, Bob's master plan of asking for release is about to come true. I am sooooo excited to see what happens next...

Oh if i loose my laptop privileges I will go back to playing hearts and crosswords like the old days.

You know that while you are blaming and attacking Bob, there is an important fact being missed.

While I think Bob has been misguided in his belief that standing up and fighting is going to succeed in a better agreement, it is not Bob that is at fault. Bob, simply has a belief that coincides with the way a Union should be and act. It is only because he an I belong to the TWU that he becomes out on the island with no backing from those in appointed powers. This is the main reason I voted Yes, not because I liked the T/A as a celebratory agreement, but because I am a member of the TWU and I know what that equates to as far gaining more ground and getting something better. Review 1989 for more details.

So instead of blaming Bob, for standing up, you should place the blame on the organization that allows guys like Bob to fail.
Yes Bob is going to become the Scapegoat, but Bob is not what is failing us at AA and the rest of industry. Not by a long shot.

 

[strikeforce]

Cowards? The committee is more of a coward. They won't get off their backsides until the pilots settle. Why? Could it be they can only negotiate after someone else leads the way?

what committee?? You call this negotiations when three guys meet with the company and figure out what they will give up in exchange for crumbs. The fix is in Overspeed, and come November 18th or 19th, you and the rest of the TWU lovers will get your wish.....a POS T/A! Have fun kissing Little's pinky ring when it's all said and done!!

 

[Overspeed]

You know that while you are blaming and attacking Bob, there is an important fact being missed.

While I think Bob has been misguided in his belief that standing up and fighting is going to succeed in a better agreement, it is not Bob that is at fault. Bob, simply has a belief that coincides with the way a Union should be and act. It is only because he an I belong to the TWU that he becomes out on the island with no backing from those in appointed powers. This is the main reason I voted Yes, not because I liked the T/A as a celebratory agreement, but because I am a member of the TWU and I know what that equates to as far gaining more ground and getting something better. Review 1989 for more details.

So instead of blaming Bob, for standing up, you should place the blame on the organization that allows guys like Bob to fail.
Yes Bob is going to become the Scapegoat, but Bob is not what is failing us at AA and the rest of industry. Not by a long shot.

So if Bob wants recall of Int'l officers can we as members recall negotiating team members too? No we can't however misinformed and misguided people like Bob, JR, Pike, and Schiable were allowed to torpedo anything that did not meet their personal agendas. I think I as a member had every right to hear from my Int'l rep when the last TA went out. Instead I got the Vote No Roadshow and no opportunity to ask the Int'l why they thought the deal was good. I did get some flyer with my ballot which most of us don't trsut because we can't question a flyer.

Why does the Vote No group not have joint Q&A sessions? Are they afraid that what they dismiss and label as propaganda may make sense to us?