Bankruptcy Coming?

[mwereplanes]

Lakefield will enter or avoid C11 based on what he and the board think is best for this company. The employees have little say in the matter. 320's fear of losing his job is driving his banter. Some of it factual, some of it opinion.

We have no more control over this process than the man in the moon. We are along for the ride as we have been for years. The simple question is if Lakefield can morph a legacy carrier in a rapidly changing airline eniornment into a carrier that can survive and be profitable with less revenue than before. Most of that depends upon structural changes, not employee givebacks. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. For proof, look at LUV.

We all want to be more productive. How we get that way depends on management. Not the bankruptcy court.

mr

 

[geo1004]

Question?

U needs 800 mil from employees and 700mil from other cuts in the company.

Why wait for unions to step up?

Why not make other cuts NOW?

Show some leadership!

"Other cuts" is probably the wrong term for it. They are seeking approx. $700 million in savings that are not directly associated with union employees compensation. These savings ARE happening. PIT is being de-hubbed. PHL will roll and there will be more point-to-point flying from major cities like DCA, LGA and BOS to increase aircraft utilization. There is rumor of more Caribbean flying. They will try to create operational efficiencies with better check-in kiosks and boarding pass scanners. Also a new and improved website to make buying a ticket easier for the customer (in adition to online check-in, etc.).

There is a real demonstration that the company IS trying to find newer and better ways to run the airline and save money BESIDES just asking for cuts from labor. It's fresh and it's not something seen with previous management.

 

[High Iron]

Yes he does. And I think a good portion of it is complete bunk and I think some of it is true. Regardless, why take his perceived tone as condecending? Agree, disagree, discuss, have a dialouge... whatever! But for goodness sake, get rid of all the immature and worthless bickering.

Actually the main gist is the "chicken vs the egg", half full/half empty nature of the question. The question could have just as aptly have "why does A320 flood this BB with a constant barrage of speculative, self-serving doom/gloom posts?" "Why so negative?".

Why would said poster answering his own threads reply's on nearly a one for one basis pass as "discussion", "dialogue", whatever...while replies to the same is "immature bickering"?

I believe you know the answer, the claiming of some open-minded, middle-of-the-road entreaties notwithstanding.

The condescention isn't just from him however. How would anybody react to a cavalier attitude regarding one's own situation? There are those that regard these as critical matters that affect themselves directly...and then someone comes along inflames said people like it was running commentary of some sort of hobby and honestly cannot fathom the vitriol? YGBFKM.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Any word regarding the Unique Corporate Transaction??

 

[hp_fa]

320:

What do you say about your hero Dave taking the $4.5 mil AND going to work as a consultant for TPG. It sounds like a triple-screw job to me. Not fixing the airline and leaving BK too early, taking the $4.5 mil and now working on behalf of TPG (who I promise does not have your best interests at heart).

 

[RowUnderDCA]

320:

What do you say about your hero Dave taking the $4.5 mil AND going to work as a consultant for TPG. It sounds like a triple-screw job to me. Not fixing the airline and leaving BK too early, taking the $4.5 mil and now working on behalf of TPG (who I promise does not have your best interests at heart).

I don't believe that part.

 

[767jetz]

Well, we've reached a new level in the continuing banter of a certain pilot's imagination!

Apparently USA320pilot wants this message board to be his personal soap box, from which he can spew his theories and speculations (stated as fact, of course), and then refuse to respond to any other perspective. As if he is above accountablility for his misleading information, and too smart/knowledgeable/informed to bother debating or even backing up his statements.
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Here is my response...

USA320pilot, with all due respect you are wrong. I have said my piece and will not enter into any further discussion about the fact that you are wrong. You are simply wrong because I said so, I have the inside information, and I know better than you. Please don't be offended if I don't respond to any questions about my vast knowledge. As everyone knows, I'm above that.

Respectfully,
767jetz
:huh: :blink:

 

[OldGuyinPA]

This company had every intention of revisiting BK. They will fake negotiations and tell the BK judge how hard they tried to come to an agreement with labor. It's all in their grand plan to break contracts.

The employees are aware of their scheme....I just wonder how soon this will end ????

 

[repeet]

USA320Pilot
Posted: May 27 2004, 10:12 PM

I suspect the company will aim its double barrel shotgun at the CWA, IAM, and any other union who fails to participate in the new business plan with a S.1113 motion.

Since you've singled out the I.A.M. yet again, let me be clear.

The I.A.M. contract, as grievous as it is, is more than sufficient for the company to make a profit, and is the bare minimum wage we choose to receive.

For the last decade we have watched policies and practices slowly enacted that are intrinsically wasteful. We complained. We were told that we didn't understand the big picture. Then we saw these practices take work away from us and out to vendors.

Now, if the work could truly be done by vendors cheaper, then we would have grumbled and reexamined our position. The truth is that a recent in house study found that doing shop work in house costs the company a third of what it costs to vendor it out. That’s a saving of hundred to thousands of dollars per unit, of what is contractually our work. And I'm not talking about a couple of incidents here. The shops alone have been so decimated that were talking about thousand of units a year, if not tens of thousand. So now the company pays the equivalent of a months wages for what we used to do in a week.

This waste is not just in the shops. Every mechanic I know has a personal story where he or she has seen the company send out their work from their department and it has cost the company more. Because of this, every mechanic I know is taking the company’s penchant for greed very personally. Every one of them has a personal grudge against this company's current business plan for maintenance.

So now, with most of our work being sent out, we're being asked for our permission to be laid off. And that the fraction of mechanics that are left to be paid substantially less, so the company can "save" more money. We find this position arrogant, belligerent, and insulting.

It's the nature of maintenance people to analyze a problem, and then repair it according to common sense and published guidlines. That is exactly what we are doing here, now. Trying to repair this company and save our jobs. Why the company chooses to do business in a more expensive way makes us suspect the company has other agendas.

Therefore it's up to the company. Do business in the cheapest possible way or be destroyed by market forces. The I.A.M. is doing its' part by enforcing and preserving its’ present contract, which each mechanic KNOWS will save this company money.

We ARE taking this personally!

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Take a bow, Jetz!

 

[4merresrat]

. . .. The question could have just as aptly have "why does A320 flood this BB with a constant barrage of speculative, self-serving doom/gloom posts?" "Why so negative?".

Why would said poster answering his own threads reply's on nearly a one for one basis pass as "discussion", "dialogue", whatever...while replies to the same is "immature bickering"?

I believe you know the answer, the claiming of some open-minded, middle-of-the-road entreaties notwithstanding.

The condescention isn't just from him however. How would anybody react to a cavalier attitude regarding one's own situation? There are those that regard these as critical matters that affect themselves directly...and then someone comes along inflames said people like it was running commentary of some sort of hobby and honestly cannot fathom the vitriol? YGBFKM.

Frankly, I am surprised A320 continues to post due to the onslaught of barbs, insults, and hateful rhetoric he recieves. Yes, he comes across sometimes as condescending and know-it-all it, HOWEVER alot of what he says is valid. Certainly he could present his thoughts in a less pompous manner, but what bothers me is the fact that no one on this board is allowed to have a difference of opinion without getting insults hurled at them. Like I said, I'm surprised he bothers. Everytime he even posts a valid news article people acuse him of being negative and anti-employee etc. Not that I am defending him butthe majority of the posters run off anyone who disagrees with your pro union, anti company line! You guys are lucky to have his opinion-1st it is enlighting, and I think more importantly for this board it gives you guys someone to rally against and spew your frustrations at!!!!

 

[<./']>]

It's just human nature to attack someone's character when they don't have anything else to say. Maybe someone could write a post to refute what 320 says instead of attacking the man.

 

[700UW]

I have and others have posted numerous times to refute him, he chooses to ignore when you post FACTS to dispute his OPINIONS, he ignores them and still continues to post phony information and believes he is a secret CEO of US Airways.

 

[High Iron]

Sarcasm, I'm sure. Either that, or you must be new here. The factual refutations of his posts are the meat of the case against him. The pompous delivery ( his ) merely adds passion to the debate.

 

[E-TRONS]

Sing along with me.....(ode to USA320PILOT)

"He's a real nowhere man.....sitting in his nowhere land......spewing all his nowhere plans for everybody...."