Automated Baggage System

[USA320Pilot]

Dell:

The Company rejected the IAM's Automated Baggage System maintenance proposal as retribution because the union will not negotiate mechanic, utility, or FSA "Going Forward Plan" participation.

It's retribution, which is likely to continue and could become thousands of mechanics instead of 35.

Do I like it? Absolutely not, but it's coming like a locomotive screaming down the tracks and there is nothing the IAM can do to stop it, except to discuss the "Going Forward Plan", if the company will even come to the table with your union.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[delldude]

PineyBob:

You are correct. The Company offered the IAM a proposal to conduct the A320 heavy maintenance in-house and then union negotiators rejected the plan and filed the lawsuit. The proposal was an opener, but now that the Company won the lawsuit and appears headed to a grievance victory, thus the mechanics may not have very much leverage.

In my opinion, the IAM is digging a deep hole and some great US Airways mechanics could get badly hurt.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

with the limited mentality supplied on these posts...i can only hope to see IAM take you and your job down to prove to you that your positions are full of baloney and your support for dave seigel overrides your sense of rationality.
your continued sense of loyalty to dave and company should send a clear message of panic to any and all of your ALPA colleagues..i'm sure they are quite pleased that your only input is in internet posting and not direct ALPA negotiations.
i'm quite sorry to see your continued postings chastising IAM and any other group that doesn't align itself with your little world and its limited vision.
IAM has irrefutably performed all heavy maintenance for some 54 years.if you cannot deal with that truth as a supportive trade unionist........i feel you have no business expressing unionist views on this website as you do not represent the true trade unionist i've been associated with all my years working in the union atmosphere.
you should rethink your anti-union positions and recluse yourself from any pro-union ramblings.after all you do pay union dues don't you??
unless of course in all truth you are a davey wanna be....
you have a great trade unionist day my union colleague.

 

[usfliboi]

Delldude the insults over shadow your atempts to make a point. All i hear from a couple of u on here is insults when someone has their own opinion. I agree with his comments. You guys will talk or in the end have no one to talk to ! This is your job that you still have...... You are still paid well with good benefits. Your job is sought after by many... What about that ? What about your obligation to your self to your family. Its your buisness and i respect your beliefs, it seems to me your loyality to "the cause" out weighs the need to face reality here. Good luck at any rate!

 

[mweiss]

i can only hope to see IAM take you and your job down...

How nice. You hope IAM shuts down the company, putting large numbers of people out of work, so that you can prove a point to USA320Pilot.

How classy! :down:

 

[A320 Driver]

with the limited mentality supplied on these posts...i can only hope to see IAM take you and your job down to prove to you that your positions are full of baloney and your support for dave seigel overrides your sense of rationality.

This clearly states the biggest problem with IAM and some of it's members. NO union should have or even perceive themselves having the power to singlehandedly close the doors of a company. True, it has been done before, to the detrement of many employees, but it is an ugly position to pursue. This position whether true or imaginary fosters much harm towards the health of a company. No one is "bullet proof" nor should they be. When you reach a point where you feel that you are not subordinate or responcible to anyone, you are of no use to your employer anymore. You will not be productive or cost effective. In short, you become a liability that most companies cannot afford in today's business climate.

This attitude may be a the heart of this entire dispute. This is the type of mentality that gave unions a bad name. It makes me sick to my stomach.

A320 Driver :down:

 

[700UW]

PineyBob:

You are correct. The Company offered the IAM a proposal to conduct the A320 heavy maintenance in-house and then union negotiators rejected the plan and filed the lawsuit. The proposal was an opener, but now that the Company won the lawsuit and appears headed to a grievance victory, thus the mechanics may not have very much leverage.

In my opinion, the IAM is digging a deep hole and some great US Airways mechanics could get badly hurt.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

You are 100% incorrect.

The company NEVER EVER offered the IAM anything with the airbus, you are a complete l--r.

If you say they did, why don't you show us the proof. I have talked to all the AGCs involved, the company said we are farming out the ten airbus and maybe we can talk in the future about the rest, that is all that transpired back in the September meeting.

STOP PUTTING OUT FALSE INFORMATION!

 

[sentrido]

so no link piney?

 

[700UW]

How nice. You hope IAM shuts down the company, putting large numbers of people out of work, so that you can prove a point to USA320Pilot.

How classy! :down:

Unions don't shut down companies, corporate executives do!

 

[cavalier]

with the limited mentality supplied on these posts...i can only hope to see IAM take you and your job down to prove to you that your positions are full of baloney and your support for dave seigel overrides your sense of rationality.

This clearly states the biggest problem with IAM and some of it's members. NO union should have or even perceive themselves having the power to singlehandedly close the doors of a company. True, it has been done before, to the detrement of many employees, but it is an ugly position to pursue. This position whether true or imaginary fosters much harm towards the health of a company. No one is "bullet proof" nor should they be. When you reach a point where you feel that you are not subordinate or responcible to anyone, you are of no use to your employer anymore. You will not be productive or cost effective. In short, you become a liability that most companies cannot afford in today's business climate.

This attitude may be a the heart of this entire dispute. This is the type of mentality that gave unions a bad name. It makes me sick to my stomach.

A320 Driver :down:

You know I actually agree with this.

Here’s the thing: This management team has chosen to make occur exactly what you just wrote, YES management and NOT labor with their underhanded tactics.

If we didn't have any power "collectively" like the great captain is constantly trying to make himself believe, why is he so panicky posting all these must do's for the IAM? I'll tell you why, because we can and will shut this place down and every single soul will go with us. If that's what it takes to reason with this management team, so be it! This place can burn. Go ahead a cringe, cry, and scream at me, tell me I am a fool. I will tell you that anyone who wants to let Dave have his way again with you is the REAL fool having NO self worth, NO self-respect.

He will make this place a shadow of it's former self then sell it off and you will be out of a job regardless. You can let him do that and live in regret or you can become a man and make stand and say ENOUGH, let the “CHIPSâ€￾ fall where they may! :angry:

 

[A320 Driver]

First, I AM NOT CHIP doggoneit!

Secondly, what exactly is new about this attitude. Many of your members have harbored it through at least three management teams that I am aware of. It is like a cancer that has grown over the last decade. In short, this is NOT a new problem. We have members of ALL of our unions walking around like swaggering drunks wielding some imaginary power that they don't deserve or thank God to a large part don't have. I just don't get this self-importance that many have embraced.

I guess I'm what YOU would call a "sheep". I do my job the best I can and go HOME. I try to make the best of things usually, but have a tendency to get frustrated like anyone else. But, I haven't crossed that line where I take it upon myself to decide the future of thousands of people that I don't even know. Yes, management has made serious mistakes, but we will only prosper in partnership with them. To think otherwise is OUR serious mistake. They need to stop exploiting the employees. We need to turn out the work efficiently and competitivly. It doesn't need to be anymore complicated than that.

A320 Driver B)

 

[MrAeroMan]

Unions don't shut down companies, corporate executives do!

That's the type of statement made by a group that has nothing to offer towards the solution of a problem. Pass the buck. THAT'S why the IAM is in the position it is and why it's only going to get worse. Creative thinking? Not in the IAM mantra. Thinking outside the box for a solution? Not in the IAM can't do attitude.

The IAM says they're made proposals to save U 80 to 100 million. Where are these savings coming from? I've read where some of it is to bring more work inhouse and let IAM members do it. Is that really saving money? Where's the figures? You guys always spout on here a popular saying and I can't think of a better time where it's more appropriate.

Figures lie and liars figure.

 

[700UW]

The savings come from doing the work in-house, faster, cheaper and better, then sending them to a vendor.

And the company put itself in the position, not the IAM, the IAM is fighting for its members and their jobs, do you not understand this company wants to get rid of all heavy mtc?

 

[usfliboi]

How nice. You hope IAM shuts down the company, putting large numbers of people out of work, so that you can prove a point to USA320Pilot.

How classy! :down:

Unions don't shut down companies, corporate executives do!

thats a false statement in it self.

 

[usfliboi]

This attitude may be a the heart of this entire dispute. This is the type of mentality that gave unions a bad name. It makes me sick to my stomach.

A320 Driver :down:

You know I actually agree with this.

Here’s the thing: This management team has chosen to make occur exactly what you just wrote, YES management and NOT labor with their underhanded tactics.

If we didn't have any power "collectively" like the great captain is constantly trying to make himself believe, why is he so panicky posting all these must do's for the IAM? I'll tell you why, because we can and will shut this place down and every single soul will go with us. If that's what it takes to reason with this management team, so be it! This place can burn. Go ahead a cringe, cry, and scream at me, tell me I am a fool. I will tell you that anyone who wants to let Dave have his way again with you is the REAL fool having NO self worth, NO self-respect.

He will make this place a shadow of it's former self then sell it off and you will be out of a job regardless. You can let him do that and live in regret or you can become a man and make stand and say ENOUGH, let the “CHIPSâ€￾ fall where they may! :angry: [/quote]
Thanks Cav for allowing your real attitude out. In cases like this i have no problem if someones attitudes comes thru like this on the job I say let um go union not withstanding. Its scary to say the least!

 

[700UW]

Name one company the a union has shut down? (and don't say EAL, Lorenzo made the bad decisions that caused them to go out of business) Unions are not the CEO or BOD, those people make the decision to shut a company down, not a union, need to take business 101?