Metroyet
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APA will evaporate USAPA by then...best of luck to you.
August 2013 Pilot Discussion
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Phoenix
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Yes, at long last the APA will finally be able to give their 777's to a handful of pilots from a small sand lot airline out in Arizona. They have been salivating for this for years and its almost in their grasp. The APA invented the original T-minus clock for this very purpose.
luvthe9
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Looking foward to it.
Freighterguynow
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you need many more digits in your countdown clock. If LOA 93 crappy rates dragged this out for 6 1/2 years, how much more so when the MOU rates kick in?
CallawayGolf
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How did LOA93 rates drag out the SLI or attaining a JCBA? The only thing dragging out the pilot seniority integration is a continued refusal to accept the NIC and move on.
The APA seems to have been pretty open in how they anticipate the merger process going. The expect a ratio/slotting methodology for the combined pilot groups; they expect to file for single carrier status within six months of the POR; and theyhave already negotiated the fundamentals of the fully combined CBA by means of the MOU. Other than USAPA trying to delay as much as possible, what's to drag on once the APA achieves single carrier status?
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I suspect if we get to that point (DOJ issues) it won't be usapa dragging it out farther but AOL instead.
snapthis
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IT IS ORDERED the bench trial and preliminary injunction hearing set for September 24, 2013 is VACATED and RESET for October 22, 2013 and October 23, 2013 at 9:00 a.m. All other deadlines remain in place.
DATED this 26th day of August, 2013.Hmm...never played pickelball, but why don't you just get around to providing us all a list of AWA's most accomplished "spartan" athetes, starting with yourself, of course. That should take almost no time, and I could use a good laugh today....?
Arrogance?....Thy name is "sparta", it seems.
snapthis
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Psst, CB..I don't think you'll ever get from Cleary lapdawg to topdog based on some of these comments.
CallawayGolf
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AOL hasn't caused the current delay in attaining a JCBA because it is not within their power to prevent the company or USAPA from completing negotiations. Management says they cannot legally accept a non-NIC list which violates the TA unless a federal court says they will not be jointly liable for USAPA's DFR violations. USAPA says that whatever list they submit is legal and must be accepted contrary to what Management claims to be a substantial liability risk. The west may have made the parties aware of the risk and their resolve to follow through if their rights are ignored, but neither USAPA nor Management has been legally prevented from pursuing a JCBA because of AOL or west pilots.
So, what do you propose will change subsequent to the POR that would suddenly allow AOL to cause a delay when the other parties have reached an agreement or at least the framework for one? Furthermore, why would the west want to cause a delay after APA achieves single carrier status?
Like Cleary wanting to get paid for unused vacation while line pilots lose their vacation if it not used? Funny, that should have been the end of story, but it wasn't for McKee and company. I'd feel better about the push for Hummel to leave if it weren't for the usual politics.
I don't know why Gary would want to stay in office in his condition. Heck, as far as I know my heart is healthy and I think it would kill me.
Was Gary in the training dept when elected? There have been CA that have trained before there medical was reissued.
You lost all possible credibility at "Management says". No court or judge anywhere has or would've prevented them from negotiating a contract, nor would do so now....period.
CallawayGolf: "So, what do you propose will change subsequent to the POR that would suddenly allow AOL to cause a delay when the other parties have reached an agreement or at least the framework for one?" Oh, I dunno. What if "Management says" again comes into play?
Seriously; if anyone can't clearly see the extent of the game management's been playing, and that there's been an ever-so-convenient excuse for their avoiding any negotiations purely due to the west's great love of litigation...well...you've simply got to be kidding us all here. The west position's long been that the evil easties are the source of all problems anywhere in the universe. Why not finally, at least accept some slight shred of responsibility for what you've done as well?
Hate2fly
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Come on Hummel supporters tell us what you would do if Cleary was in office and had triple bypass surgery collecting full pay. I need a good laugh today!
Hate
Complain and see that he screwed the universe but got away with it because it follows the rules. Just like the NIC never being implemented because it follows the rules to not use it unless in an east/west ratified JCBA and not a new merger.
Whew! So not getting your nic has somehow "screwed the universe"? Umm...OK then.
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