August 2013 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

My guess is that since the most of the West boys only fly over dry land, they are not versed or trained in the area of contingencies....a normal part of planning for crossing the North Atlantic. They just don't give it any thought. breeze

Here's a thought.

Southwest pilots get paid much more flying over dry land than you do working under LOA 93.

"Southwest once again tops the list, with a maximum captain salary of $181,270. Among major carriers, U.S. Airways reported a maximum captain salary of $138,240"

How's the view of the Atlantic now?

 

[CallawayGolf]

Of course you completely left out a prediction of what would happen to a 9th appeal if there is no merger. Ya see, contingencies are a tricky thing. Not only is it impossible to predict what will happen in light of contingencies, it is not even possible to list out all the contingencies that may occur before a final product is reached. Silver is the epitome of "on dangerous ground." ...

Sorta like operating the de-ice truck on a frozen lake.

No I didn't. I said the Company's DJ appeal will occur first and potentially settle the issue before either side can appeal DFR-II. If the result is a non-NIC list is not a DFR then the Company and USAPA return to negotiations uninhibited by the DFR question. If the result is that a Non-NIC is a DFR then wouldn't that resolve the question since the Ninth just said what the result would be? That would likely result in an injunction against USAPA to use the NIC. Either way, a DFR-appeal seems unnecessary with or without the AMR merger.

Your commitment to appealing Silver's ruling seems telling that you think USAPA will lose this case. I'm not convinced that she will close the deal any more than she did last time, which was not at all.

 

[mrbreeze]

Here's a thought.

Southwest pilots get paid much more flying over dry land than you do working under LOA 93.

"Southwest once again tops the list, with a maximum captain salary of $181,270. Among major carriers, U.S. Airways reported a maximum captain salary of $138,240"

How's the view of the Atlantic now?

Sure beats looking at the sand and desert everyday. You tell me, how's the view for you, considering you work the same routes as a SW pilot.....must be pretty crappy to think of the wages you have averaged when the SW flight on the next concourse lives such a lifestyle. My point was about contingencies......apparently you also have none, considering your weak reply. Also, $138,240???? bogus info there. breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

No I didn't. I said the Company's DJ appeal will occur first and potentially settle the issue before either side can appeal DFR-II. If the result is a non-NIC list is not a DFR then the Company and USAPA return to negotiations uninhibited by the DFR question. If the result is that a Non-NIC is a DFR then wouldn't that resolve the question since the Ninth just said what the result would be? That would likely result in an injunction against USAPA to use the NIC. Either way, a DFR-appeal seems unnecessary with or without the AMR merger.

Your commitment to appealing Silver's ruling seems telling that you think USAPA will lose this case. I'm not convinced that she will close the deal any more than she did last time, which was not at all.

The problem with your theory is that any list, when viewed in a vacuum, doesn't give any information regarding its fairness. The DFR lies within the fact that USAPA has entirely refused to provide a fair neutral PROCESS to get to the end product. Saying a "non nic list" is or isn't a DFR doesn't provide a shred of insight as to how that list was produced. What the Scabs are attempting is arbitrary, discriminatory, and in bad faith...the very definition of a DFR.

They probably had an opportunity to improve upon the nic that would have passed judicial review post USAPA, but they are far too emotional and stupid to have pulled it off. Instead it's been one fumbled, blow-up-in-their-face, embarrassing disaster after the next. I find their utter incompetence and paralysis by stupidity beyond hysterical.

PLEASE recall Hummel et.al.

 

[mrbreeze]

They probably had an opportunity to improve upon the nic that would have passed judicial review post USAPA, but they are far too emotional and stupid to have pulled it off.

Sure, Einstein.....point out any time in history where the West would have even considered coming off the NIC since Wye River. BS! And you call East pilots emotional and stupid....gawd! breeze

 

[Res Judicata]

Sure, Einstein.....point out any time in history where the West would have even considered coming off the NIC since Wye River. BS! And you call East pilots emotional and stupid....gawd! breeze

Oh, we would have still sued, but perhaps some people vastly more intelligent than the founding scabs could have actually stayed within the realm of a wide range of reasonableness. You missed than realm by orders of magnitude.

 

[mrbreeze]

Oh, we would have still sued, but perhaps some people vastly more intelligent than the founding scabs could have actually stayed within the realm of a wide range of reasonableness. You missed than realm by orders of magnitude.

Sure...live in that fantasy of yours. As I have said before, where the train left the tracks is when the West pilots refused to come off the NIC and then told management how pissed they would be if the East pilots were given parity. You guys have never budged since you got your false lottery ticket, and have tried to force the East into your submission of accepting the NIC.... a no brainer. Of course if you have no brain, you will never get it, Einstein. breeze

 

[CallawayGolf]

The problem with your theory is that any list, when viewed in a vacuum, doesn't give any information regarding its fairness. The DFR lies within the fact that USAPA has entirely refused to provide a fair neutral PROCESS to get to the end product. Saying a "non nic list" is or isn't a DFR doesn't provide a shred of insight as to how that list was produced. What the Scabs are attempting is arbitrary, discriminatory, and in bad faith...the very definition of a DFR.

They probably had an opportunity to improve upon the nic that would have passed judicial review post USAPA, but they are far too emotional and stupid to have pulled it off. Instead it's been one fumbled, blow-up-in-their-face, embarrassing disaster after the next. I find their utter incompetence and paralysis by stupidity beyond hysterical.

PLEASE recall Hummel et.al.

The DJ appeal is really only asking those questions about a DFR and a non-NIC list. That's why my hypothesis was stated as such. If the Ninth makes an actionable ruling and remands back to Silver, where does the losing party go from there?

 

[snapthis]

Sure beats looking at the sand and desert everyday. You tell me, how's the view for you, considering you work the same routes as a SW pilot.....must be pretty crappy to think of the wages you have averaged when the SW flight on the next concourse lives such a lifestyle. My point was about contingencies......apparently you also have none, considering your weak reply. Also, $138,240???? bogus info there. breeze

I go to the pool when you are shoveling the driveway.

After reading a number of your posts, where you always insecure? 330 this, 330 that. Who are you trying to impress? Yourself?

It's getting nauseating.

 

[Res Judicata]

Sure...live in that fantasy of yours. As I have said before, where the train left the tracks is when the West pilots refused to come off the NIC and then told management how pissed they would be if the East pilots were given parity. You guys have never budged since you got your false lottery ticket, and have tried to force the East into your submission of accepting the NIC.... a no brainer. Of course if you have no brain, you will never get it, Einstein. breeze

The nic award WAS THE COMPROMISE. Why the hell should we ever compromise more? To satisfy your terroristic list of demands? Sorry MF. It don't work that way. SYSMFIC!

 

[A320 Driver]

Bring back Cleary!!!!

Naaaaa, the current agenda is to put McKee in as President, and put DiOrio and Crimi on the NAC. That should really get things moving, huh? NOT!!!

 

[mrbreeze]

perhaps some people vastly more intelligent than the founding scabs could have actually stayed within the realm of a wide range of reasonableness.

The only thing reasonable would be if the West came off the NIC, so you wouldn't find anyone who would think differently, of course, unless you are a greedy West pilot. That is why your statement is stupid. breeze

 

[Phoenix]

Bad faith representation. Injury, in and of itself.

In your dreams!

 

[Phoenix]

No I didn't. I said the Company's DJ appeal will occur first and potentially settle the issue before either side can appeal DFR-II. If the result is a non-NIC list is not a DFR then the Company and USAPA return to negotiations uninhibited by the DFR question. If the result is that a Non-NIC is a DFR then wouldn't that resolve the question since the Ninth just said what the result would be? That would likely result in an injunction against USAPA to use the NIC. Either way, a DFR-appeal seems unnecessary with or without the AMR merger.

Your commitment to appealing Silver's ruling seems telling that you think USAPA will lose this case. I'm not convinced that she will close the deal any more than she did last time, which was not at all.

Frankly all this contingency speculation and hypothicising makes my head spin.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Here's a thought.

Southwest pilots get paid much more flying over dry land than you do working under LOA 93.

"Southwest once again tops the list, with a maximum captain salary of $181,270. Among major carriers, U.S. Airways reported a maximum captain salary of $138,240"

How's the view of the Atlantic now?

I don't know where you get your numbers, but SW captains make WAY more than that. Every last one of them.